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    LOL @ "she was bragging"..you guys can think he was telling the truth, and you might be right..I could think that he was obviously paid off, and there's no proof that I would be wrong either..it's that easy..

    "'You're not gonna believe this,' [Mitch Kupchak] said, telling me about Kobe and the rape allegations in Colorado. Was I surprised? Yes, but not entirely. Kobe can be consumed with surprising anger, which he's displayed toward me and his teammates

    this really speaks volumes on the guy's character..if your coach of many years, a guy that you've shared the great moments and the bad moments with, can say that you're capable of this..speaks volumes..

    If Kobe can unleash his anger on a bunch of huge NBA players all the time, you can only imagine what he did to a small, innocent woman that didn't want to have sex with him..
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    btw, this is just the rape allegations..

    there's still the adultery, the snitching on a teammate for absolutely no reason at all, the throwing teammates under the bus, the embarrassment of Bynum and his family all over the internet and the media, the giving up on his team in a game 7, the sabotaging the Finals vs. Detroit in 2004, the immaturity of how he handled the trade demand situation, and the alleged ways he treats his maid..

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    btw, this is just the rape allegations..

    there's still the adultery, the snitching on a teammate for absolutely no reason at all, the throwing teammates under the bus, the embarrassment of Bynum and his family all over the internet and the media, the giving up on his team in a game 7, the sabotaging the Finals vs. Detroit in 2004, the immaturity of how he handled the trade demand situation, and the alleged ways he treats his maid..
    The maid problem was because his wife was being a crazy to the maid, not Kobe. Kobe even tried multiple times to get his wife to apologize to the maid

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    the giving up on his team in a game 7
    & I have on this Board cited that instance. It was a de able act and scars Kobe in my eyes.

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    cause their fans are stupid.

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    Harlem and DPG must be related. Both of these morons just don't know when to stop.

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    Harlem and DPG must be related. Both of these morons just don't know when to stop.
    Neither do you apparently

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    Shaq, Bynum, the punches to teammates, etc. Let's face it, Kobe seems like an awful teammate.

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    LO wants to start and be a "go to" guy at crunch time. He can be that in Miami. A little less mony. So what, he's made 100 mill in his career.
    LO has never really shown that much interest in being a go to guy. He has shied away from the spot light or taking many shots over his career. He might not have started for the Lakers but he was always in at the end of games while getting starters minutes off the bench. He has said that this decision wont have anything to do with starting he said that about 3 days ago at the Lakers championship dvd release party. Well see what happens, but I doubt he will be leaving the Lakers to be a go to guy.

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    cause their fans are stupid.
    Can you really say that and be a USC fan. Almost all USC fans are Laker fans.

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    Shaq, Bynum, the punches to teammates, etc. Let's face it, Kobe seems like an awful teammate.
    When did Kobe punch his Teammates?

    And MJ punched his teammates

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    Harlem and DPG must be related. Both of these morons just don't know when to stop.
    I see you in here, not me. You must be the biggest idiot on the board. Pathetic how obsessed you are.

    You were voted worst poster by a landslide. WORST POSTER. Your own kind despise you.

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    Harlem and DPG must be related. Both of these morons just don't know when to stop.
    Neither do you apparently

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    When did Kobe punch his Teammates?

    And MJ punched his teammates
    There're lots of videos of Kobe slapping or hitting teammates during games.

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    It's not the Lakers that are hated. It's many of their head fans. They who worship everything that Bean does. If he were to go on a tri-county killing spree, Peeps like Dr. House and the ilk like him would say, "Oh...the DOMINATION." You guys would probably get on your knees and slob Vic The Brick's knob and mouth,"Feeling You!"

    It's sad that you es can't stick to hoop analysis but what evs... we'll see what happens. Games have gotta be played right? I remember you smug biatches when the 3peat was going on. Spurs have DRob on his last legs and some rookie from Argentina is coming to San Antonio via Italy.

    You guys talk the same then as you do know.

    It plays out until...
    110-82 at Staples and then a whole lotta forum blue and gold crying. Be prepped, once the games are played...it could happen yet again.

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    Top 3 Reasons someone would leave the lakers.

    3. The city of L.A. feels amazing when you get there, but even better when you leave. I lived there for 2 years, the traffic is awful and its a soulless ing place.

    2. Kobe. Sure he is the best player on the planet but he calls out his teammates and is probably so hard to deal with.

    1. Andrew Bynum has the worst contract.

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    LOL he didn't murder me at all, he didn't say anything..

    -of course I'm assuming he raped her, I've never denied that..like I say all the time, I'm basing my assumptions on his character, the same way all of you that deny it are basing it on the girl's character..there's no other way of knowing in a case like this, because they were the only 2 people in the room..
    Again, the difference is we say we dont know for sure but we "think" she was just grabbing for the gold. You on the other hand make comments that he "is" a rapist. You cleverly change your tune from "is a rapist" to "alleged rapist", from "he raped her" to "assume he raped her" depending on your argument.

    -Being promiscuous doesn't mean that a girl couldn't be raped..that's not how life works..if her choice was to have sex with multiple partners in that time span, that's on her, it doesn't mean she couldn't have been raped..that's the stupidest attack of character I've seen as an argument..
    Of course being promiscuous doesnt mean she can't be raped. Please show me where that was implied. It wasnt an attack of character at all. It's the facts. Along that same line of thought you introduce, how does being a jerk teamate translate into being capable of rape?

    The facts are that the womans story wasnt adding up. One min shes crying rape, the next min she bragging abut the sex. I can certainly make a case for a girl with a promiscuois background and less then stellar mental state for concocting a story for monetary gain a lot easier than i can make the leap from bad teamate to rapist.

    Again, nobody will know... the only difference is the people that tend to believe that she made it up dont bring it up as a FACT on nearly a daily basis. It's over....and time to move on. Your kobe hate just wont let you though will it? And every sucess he has just eats at you and you ever so sadly have to pull out the rapist BS to negate it.

    Tupac Shakur got a year and a half in jail for allegedly sexually abusing a woman that he had already had intercourse with earlier, and had allegedly given him dome in a nightclub a few days earlier..she was also known around town as a promiscuous woman..that didn't stop the law from taking her side, which wouldn't have happened with the logic you guys are using against the woman that was viciously raped by Bryant..the main argument against 2Pac was an attack on his character and his music, which wouldn't be much different than an attack on Kobe IMO..
    There you go again, first it was raped, then it became alledgely raped, now we are back to "was vicioulsy raped"! That's a statement of fact that you yourself have said you assumed and actually have no knowldege of. The law took Kate Farbers side too thus the indictment. Her story wasnt holding up and she chose to cash out. That is on her. She most certainly could have persued the case if she was truthful and wanted vindication. She made her choice. That you cant live with it is meaningless.

    Mike Tyson had a very similar case..his victim was accused of the same , and she was also accused of having many holes and contradictory statements in her claims..that didn't stop Tyson from getting convicted and sent to prison..

    so your logic is very wrong here, which isn't surprising, since you're a Lakers fan..
    Not sure what your point is here. You have implied that Kobe got off because he is a Laker and has the cash yet you use two other celebs with cash as examples to prove your point that the law can indeed garner convictions against high profile persons. The logic I was using was not to imply that Kobe never raped the girl. I have always said it was possible. It was to point out that she had a history. In other words, it's not like she was a Mother Teresa who's word would have held more weight. Facts are she chose to cash out. She chose not to persue it and the authorities saw enough holes in her story to hinder a sucessfull prosecution. Aparently Tupacs and Tyson prosecutors had more solid cases and victims(I can call them that cause the perps WERE convicted)

    -The key here is that they both admitted that the sex took place..this wasn't a case where a woman alleged that they ed, but there was no proof of it..Kobe admitted that there was intercourse, and he admitted that he was choking her, which looks bad on him..
    Where have you been the last half century? Do you at all have a clue whats going on out there? How outlandish that ther should be some spanking or choking going on during a passionate sexual romp. God yes...that looks terribly worse than the several loads in her pussy from the various guys over the weekend.

    -Her medical depression doesn't mean anything..if you're clinically depressed, that will never change without medication..having "more money" or "fame" or whatever you guys think she was looking for doesn't change anything..clinical depression isn't some "phase" that you go through..having alleged problems with Schizophrenia doesn't mean she couldn't have been raped..I know this for a fact, because my girlfriend's aunt has Schizophrenia, and she was raped when she was in her early 20s..it's not like it didn't happen, just because she had mental problems..
    Again, nobody has said it DIDNT happen. Why cant you grasp that? What I am saying is it doesn't help her credibility. It could have happend. I just as easly couldn't have. The only one in this argument who posts as if "it DID happen" is YOU! Of course followed by your ever wavering "did" and "alleged" comments. Ill tell you this, it would have helped her credibility a lot more had she chose to see it through rather than take the money and run.

    -What do my morals have to do with sex and suicide?..why would I care if somebody has a lot of sex out of wedlock? I'm not religious, I don't give a ..I would care if she was cheating on her husband or whatever, but she wasn't married to my knowledge..suicide? why would that matter?..why would that affect my morals or reaction towards her?..I feel bad for her for going through that, and then having to deal with this ..
    You brought up the morals issue with your "I actually have morals and respect, so I actually care when somebody rapes another person" statement of fact that as you have already admitted is just your assumption. Morals is a broad term. Some people feel that sex out of wedlock is immoral. Some feel that attempting suicide is immoral. Again, apparently morals only count when they are in your favor. If you want to go to the core of morals which is simply the difference between right and wrong, maybe you shouldn't be tossing out conjecture as facts

    -I never said Iverson and Kidd weren't relevant..I said that you don't hear about guys like Ruben Patterson, because they aren't relevant..I clearly said that you hear about Iverson and Kidd all the time, which is true

    you don't hear them as much as Kobe, because they don't have nearly as many incidents, and because Kobe has arguably the biggest fanbase/hype in the NBA..it's a natural reaction, clearly..
    I beg to differ. Both Kidd and Iverson have been arrested on multiple occasions for criminal behaviour and you dont hear them everyday. I'd be willing to bet i could look up your posts in threads regarding them and find very little comments like you made about Kobe today and that was my point. It's ridiculous the degree the haters go. You couldnt even post to an thread on why contract negotions with the Lakers have been bersome without throwing out the Kobe is a rapist comment. Kobe has the one incident. Oh, thats right, I'm forgetting that arguments with teamates over basketball issues directly translate into criminal behavour. Silly of me to think multiple physical battery and firearms incidents are equally relevant.


    He admitted he ed her, he admitted he choked her, they reported that she was bleeding, only the 2 of them were in the room, Kobe has character issues, the girl received threats on her life by Laker fans, she was attacked by the media and Kobe's lawyers..
    I have plenty of reason to believe he did it..
    Again, believing he did it and stating it as fact are completely different. Someday you will grasp it.

    It's the same amount of proof as the people arguing for the other side of this..you don't have any proof that Kobe didn't do it..
    Yet she didnt persue it... and in this country you are innocent until proven guilty. But you are a loser who doesn't vote anyway so you really have no say on how the country is run.

    the arguments of the "Kobe didn't do it" people are that she had a lot of sex, had semen in her panties, and had clinical depression

    how the is that possibly a different argument than my argument against Kobe?..you're judge judging her character, which is what I'm doing with Kobe..
    Arrrrrggggghhhh

    How many times does it have to be said. Many say they have no clue what happend. You yourself have said only those 2 know. Some, like you, believe rape happend. Others like me belive she was gold digging.

    The big difference is... We are not the ones brining it up all the time as a "fact" in an argument about basketball that has nothing to do with it in the first place. I have yet to hear someone bring up Kate Farber in an argument for or against a basketball comment about the Lakers or Kobe. On the other hand, we hear about Kobe the rapist often as a retort.

    This was your creative input to a discussion about free agent talks with the Lakers.

    TBH, discussing anything basketball-related with Laker fans is completely pointless, since the majority of Laker fans are delusional about anything involving their team..

    No, we go back to the rapist card because we still can't believe it..

    only Laker fans actually want to ignore and downplay somebody RAPING a woman..that speaks on how disgusting you people are..I know it eats you up inside to know that you actually condone that type of behavior, certainly that isn't normal..
    Enough said....
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    You brought up the morals issue with your "I actually have morals and respect, so I actually care when somebody rapes another person" statement of fact that as you have already admitted is just your assumption. Morals is a broad term. Some people feel that sex out of wedlock is immoral. Some feel that attempting suicide is immoral. Again, apparently morals only count when they are in your favor. If you want to go to the core of morals which is simply the difference between right and wrong, maybe you shouldn't be tossing out conjecture as facts
    Lol, this was enough to stop arguing with him, cobbler. He's flip-flopping and changing his morals at the drop of a dime. I never realized how dumb this guy was till today, though.

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    Lol, this was enough to stop arguing with him, cobbler. He's flip-flopping and changing his morals at the drop of a dime. I never realized how dumb this guy was till today, though.
    I know... I was bored. The moron haters intrigue me at times.

    I'm done!

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    There're lots of videos of Kobe slapping or hitting teammates during games.
    Oh...well Shaq slapped kobe. And MJ punched his teammate in practice because he threw a bad pass...

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    Can you really say that and be a USC fan. Almost all USC fans are Laker fans.
    i actually thought you might say something of the sort. you're right...i should rephrase, "cause their fans are stupid when it comes to the NBA."

    sorry.

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    Again, the difference is we say we dont know for sure but we "think" she was just grabbing for the gold. You on the other hand make comments that he "is" a rapist. You cleverly change your tune from "is a rapist" to "alleged rapist", from "he raped her" to "assume he raped her" depending on your argument.



    Of course being promiscuous doesnt mean she can't be raped. Please show me where that was implied. It wasnt an attack of character at all. It's the facts. Along that same line of thought you introduce, how does being a jerk teamate translate into being capable of rape?

    The facts are that the womans story wasnt adding up. One min shes crying rape, the next min she bragging abut the sex. I can certainly make a case for a girl with a promiscuois background and less then stellar mental state for concocting a story for monetary gain a lot easier than i can make the leap from bad teamate to rapist.

    Again, nobody will know... the only difference is the people that tend to believe that she made it up dont bring it up as a FACT on nearly a daily basis. It's over....and time to move on. Your kobe hate just wont let you though will it? And every sucess he has just eats at you and you ever so sadly have to pull out the rapist BS to negate it.



    There you go again, first it was raped, then it became alledgely raped, now we are back to "was vicioulsy raped"! That's a statement of fact that you yourself have said you assumed and actually have no knowldege of. The law took Kate Farbers side too thus the indictment. Her story wasnt holding up and she chose to cash out. That is on her. She most certainly could have persued the case if she was truthful and wanted vindication. She made her choice. That you cant live with it is meaningless.



    Not sure what your point is here. You have implied that Kobe got off because he is a Laker and has the cash yet you use two other celebs with cash as examples to prove your point that the law can indeed garner convictions against high profile persons. The logic I was using was not to imply that Kobe never raped the girl. I have always said it was possible. It was to point out that she had a history. In other words, it's not like she was a Mother Teresa who's word would have held more weight. Facts are she chose to cash out. She chose not to persue it and the authorities saw enough holes in her story to hinder a sucessfull prosecution. Aparently Tupacs and Tyson prosecutors had more solid cases and victims(I can call them that cause the perps WERE convicted)



    Where have you been the last half century? Do you at all have a clue whats going on out there? How outlandish that ther should be some spanking or choking going on during a passionate sexual romp. God yes...that looks terribly worse than the several loads in her pussy from the various guys over the weekend.



    Again, nobody has said it DIDNT happen. Why cant you grasp that? What I am saying is it doesn't help her credibility. It could have happend. I just as easly couldn't have. The only one in this argument who posts as if "it DID happen" is YOU! Of course followed by your ever wavering "did" and "alleged" comments. Ill tell you this, it would have helped her credibility a lot more had she chose to see it through rather than take the money and run.



    You brought up the morals issue with your "I actually have morals and respect, so I actually care when somebody rapes another person" statement of fact that as you have already admitted is just your assumption. Morals is a broad term. Some people feel that sex out of wedlock is immoral. Some feel that attempting suicide is immoral. Again, apparently morals only count when they are in your favor. If you want to go to the core of morals which is simply the difference between right and wrong, maybe you shouldn't be tossing out conjecture as facts



    I beg to differ. Both Kidd and Iverson have been arrested on multiple occasions for criminal behaviour and you dont hear them everyday. I'd be willing to bet i could look up your posts in threads regarding them and find very little comments like you made about Kobe today and that was my point. It's ridiculous the degree the haters go. You couldnt even post to an thread on why contract negotions with the Lakers have been bersome without throwing out the Kobe is a rapist comment. Kobe has the one incident. Oh, thats right, I'm forgetting that arguments with teamates over basketball issues directly translate into criminal behavour. Silly of me to think multiple physical battery and firearms incidents are equally relevant.




    Again, believing he did it and stating it as fact are completely different. Someday you will grasp it.



    Yet she didnt persue it... and in this country you are innocent until proven guilty. But you are a loser who doesn't vote anyway so you really have no say on how the country is run.



    Arrrrrggggghhhh

    How many times does it have to be said. Many say they have no clue what happend. You yourself have said only those 2 know. Some, like you, believe rape happend. Others like me belive she was gold digging.

    The big difference is... We are not the ones brining it up all the time as a "fact" in an argument about basketball that has nothing to do with it in the first place. I have yet to hear someone bring up Kate Farber in an argument for or against a basketball comment about the Lakers or Kobe. On the other hand, we hear about Kobe the rapist often as a retort.

    This was your creative input to a discussion about free agent talks with the Lakers.



    Enough said....
    you pretty much just shined the worlds biggest spotlight on his stupidity

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    LA is a ty city. I would not want to live there

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    i actually thought you might say something of the sort. you're right...i should rephrase, "cause their fans are stupid when it comes to the NBA."

    sorry.
    That means we(Laker fans) have something in common with you about College Football. Didn't you say A&M was going 8-4

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    For the love of God not every Laker fan is located in the city of LA.

    You do realize how ing large Southern California is morons? We're all Laker fans.

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