Take a good look in a mirror!
The 07 Cavs were very bad for a Finals team. I just think that the 09 Magic (and the 09 Cavs for that matter) were quite overrated. Lots of talent, great shooters, bad coaching. Kind of like a worse version of the aforementioned 07 Suns.
So, you're saddened by the homerism of Spurs fans on a Spurs board, and are making as many generalizations yourself as you accuse us of. I ask, then, why do you even bother reading this board, let alone make what you know are inflammatory posts?
The 09 Magic would have destroyed the 07 Cavs. No contest. Probably beat them in 5.
That said, the Nuggets were not that great of a WCF team, the Rockets were a joke with their injuries, and the Jazz weren't going to beat anyone out West in the playoffs except maybe the Hornets.
Last edited by Cry Havoc; 07-18-2009 at 07:59 PM.
To the le - no. 'Keepin it simple and peaceful since 2009'
I did get carried away, I admit. 09 Magic >>> 07 Cavs, though I'm still not sold on the 09 Magic. Apologies.
If we're comparing the teams that the 07 Spurs and 09 Lakers faced in the playoffs, a better comparison is probably:
07 Suns vs. 09 Magic: 07 Suns were much better
07 Jazz vs. 09 Jazz: Wash (neither were a real threat)
07 Nuggets vs. 09 Nuggets: 09 Nuggets were much better
07 Cavs vs. 09 Rockets: Not sure
the 2007 Jazz were much better than the 2009 Jazz, no contest..the 2007 Cavs were a lot better than the 2009 Rockets without Yao, McGrady, and Mutombo..
If you saw the games you would say otherwise
How about comparing by round, instead of switching it up to fit your agenda?
Example: 09 Magic>>>>>>>07 Cavs, 09 Magic>>>>>>>09 Cavs
all the team needs is a raja bell type player who can guard other teams swingmen.
There's other teams in the west. Let's not look past them. Remember we lost to dallas. Of course not at full strength and our team has drastically changed but the fact remains. I see us in the wcf but it will be a hill to climb
Those are both correct. However, you know that you don't necessarily face teams in order of increasing difficulty. The 07 Suns were far better than any other team that the 07 Spurs played, while the 09 Magic were probably the best team that the 09 Lakers played. My point of 07 Suns >>> 09 Magic stands.
The Lakers won and the Spurs did not. All that matters.
A valid point. But i would point out that the Magic were the best defensive team in the league this year. And that strong defensive teams (for example: the spurs) were the Suns killers in 04-present. The suns thrived off teams that tried to outscore them. The Magic won because of their defense, and so, the 09 Magic would beat the 07 Suns IMO
This is why DrHouse is on my ignore list and you aren't. Thanks for a rational discussion! I suppose I've been underrating the 09 Magic's defense (and that team as a whole). The 09 Cavs were fool's gold after all (which surprised me), but the Magic earned their spot in the Finals.
Of course, debating who would win between the 07 Suns and 09 Magic is just an extension of debating the hypothetical winner between the 07 Spurs and 09 Lakers, and we could go back and forth on that all day. We'll each take our teams, and there's no way to prove either wrong.
Great coaching is more important than superior talent, which is why none of the East teams scare me at all. If the Spurs can make it past the Lakers, the Spurs win the le. I'd give the Spurs between a 30% and 40% chance of doing it right now (I *am* a homer, remember), which can change depending on where Odom winds up and how the new Spurs jell in-season.
Well any team with Mo Williams as their #2 guy isn't winning anything, and yes they were fools gold. The Magic were a good team, but not even best in the East. That was Boston, and being the homer that i am, i say LA would have defeated Boston as well.
About coaching, i agree, which is why i think the Champion will be from the West. And LA and SA are nearly evenly matched, which is why in a series i think it will come down to PJ vs Pop. Whichever coach does a better job between the two will take his team to the le IMO
OT for a sec: I forgot about the "ignore" feature. It does come in handy doesn't it?
Now back to the topic at hand.......
Yes, a healthy Boston would've made the Finals easily. That would've been an epic series, IMO; probably Lakers in 7.
About coaching, i agree, which is why i think the Champion will be from the West. And LA and SA are nearly evenly matched, which is why in a series i think it will come down to PJ vs Pop. Whichever coach does a better job between the two will take his team to the le IMO
And as much as I hate to say it, if a series comes down to PJ vs. Pop, I don't like the Spurs' chances. Spurs need HCA plus a positive talent differential to overcome that. The Spurs just might have more talent if Odom leaves (the Lakers bench would look awfully thin), but as it stands right now, I can't give the Spurs more than 40%.
The Spurs won't get HCA over LA I'm sure of it. Only because Pop doesnt care about the Regular Season. But SA is historically a great road team. I would agree though about their chances being 40%
First and foremost. Congrats to the lakers. The laker faithful really thinks ron is gonna help them repeat. Barring any major injuries the lakers have everything they can handle with sa.la is still a mentally weak team outside of kobe and ron. If its close sa will drown em. The magic were just happy to be there and didn't have the discipline to close out and win the games they couldve . If that's sa or even boston with kg in that position you lose everytime. Don't put your money on ron. The lakers still have weaknesses even with lodom and the spurs will exploit em. Book it.
Yeah ok...the Lakers have no chance in close games, yeah that makes sense. LA is great in close games. And if it's close i expect the best closer in the game (Kobe) to prevail. And no, the Lakers are not mentally weak.
And, besides the PG issue, name a weakness this Laker team posesses.
The Spurs went up 3-1 with Dirk playing.
Game 1 you also barely won thanks to 50 free throws. DON'T GIVE ME THAT BULL . That could have easily been a sweep if you take out the 50 free throws you got from the refs with Dirk playing.
You played better when Dirk went down.
http://lakersblog.latimes.com/lakers...erry-buss.html
FWIW it's from a blog, I have no idea how much credibility this Jim Hill has. And in other news, DrHouse was abducted by aliens and probed anally and he liked it. BTW if true get ready for the on onslaught of all these faker roaches on ST. If Odom signs that just makes it that much sweeter when beat them, win the series and break their hearts. Maybe that'll shut them up.
Lamar Odom calls Jerry Buss
So sayeth our man Jim Hill, a cool cat with the best hair in the biz.
The purpose of said phone call? Repairing any bridges in need of fixing after Doc B. didn't take kindly to un-returned calls from LO's agent Jeff Schwartz. Does that mean LO is definitely favoring the Lakers over, say, the Miami Heat, who have reportedly offered him five years/35 mil (or haven't, according to the Tweets of Ric Bucher)? No, but it does stand to reason that Lamar hasn't decided to close his purple and gold chapter. Otherwise, unless Odom wants an invite to Jerry Buss' poker game whenever he's in L.A., I don't know why he'd bother placing the call.
A promising development for those hoping LO will stick around. We'll have more details as they emerge.
It seems that Odom is chasing the money, and that the overtures to other teams were just posturing. I'd be really surprised if he actually left LA.
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