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haren is better except for wins and strikeouts this year
be intersting to see if haren does not get worse the second half like he did last year
I've always liked the giants and have been keeping up closely with lince the last few years. Gotta say he's f'ing amazing how at that size he generates that much torque and power. I would say his pitching over last year and this year so far could warrant him the best pitcher right now. My list would probably be
Lince
Halladay
Haren
Santana
Greinke
bunch like beckett, cain, verlander, carpenter
haren is better except for wins and strikeouts this year
be intersting to see if haren does not get worse the second half like he did last year
Tough call between Lince and Haren this season.
I might go with Haren though.
yea ducks haren is better numbers wise like era, and whip, but its very close. I mean do you watch him pitch tho? All I know is I've seen haren pitch a few games and I've also seen lince pitch a few games this year. NO doubt lince throws the nastiest . It's just ridic what he throws, haren is awesome too, but he's got the size and the build of a "normal" great pitcher. Lincey is far from it and he still is unbelievable. We'll see at the end of the year but you gotta watch, can't go by numbers when they are that close.
Haren's entire career his production takes a serious dip after the all star break, Lince > Haren until Haren proves he can have a consistently dominant season.
DoK your right again haren does crash. We'll see. Everyone tho this year is like haren is amazing pitching for a team-which i do recognize-but good lord weren't the g-men supposed to be ty this year and they were last year. He still put up an amazing amount of wins last year for that club. If the g's can get a few bats-yikes i wouldn't want to face them as an opposing team in a 5 game series. Haren is pretty damn good tho-just think he's a notch below lince at this time. close.
Lince
Felix is the best pitcher in the big leagues. No question about it.
^I question that. He's good and he's young, but to call him the best pitcher in a major league that totes Halladay, Lince , Beckett, Lester, Haren, Greinke, Peavy, Oswalt, J Johnson etc
whats funny about baseball-i cant stand watching a game unless im there, but watching lince is just amusing-i guess its just wondering how he's going to own the next batter and watching this little body hurle 95's consistently-more like 97s haha. BEAST
Felix is better than all those dudes. He's unbeavable.
I chose line for my fantasy team like oh two years ago and dude was balling for me then. Homie is straight up nasty, no one gets down like he does on a regular basis now a days.
lince ... easy!
love this guy, lincy owns all, bow down to the 5 foot 10 98 fastball...and a wicked curve...and prob the nastiest change up this side of the sun.
Lince got lit up in the all star game.
haren lowers his era to 1.96 tonight
16 out of 19 games he has not allowed 2 runs or more
3 games in may his era was 4.96
other then that he has been unreal
oh and haren's first 4 games he had like maybe 7 runs total in support
only reason he was the starter because he won the cy young last year
but that should not matter
I agree but the season is not over
right now haren is greater that lince
also first outing after allseaon was a stud
haren has 6 rbi's this year
so I think he does not suck on the plae
Last edited by ducks; 07-19-2009 at 07:37 PM.
I'm a huge Giants fan that lives in the bay area and goes to games. I haven't seen him pitch yet in person but I watch all the games and the guy is ridiculous. He's learned how to pitch this year. His changeup/splitter(low 80s) has developed and his curve(high 70s) has become a 12 to 6er that he can locate.Timmy Couldn't do that last year and relied on his fastball(mid to high 90s) more often to get K's. I agree Haren's numbers are better but he doesn't dominate games like Tim does.I used to watch Haren when he was in Oakland and his greatest asset is his K/BB ratio. I give Dan a lot of credit for doing all this on a terrible team, But I have to say Lince is better. 'The Freak'(his nickname) also fields his position well, as evidenced by a sprinting/sliding catch he made in foul territory on the first base side the other night.He's an above average hitter(for a pitcher).Tim is an athlete, not something you can say about a lot of pitchers. His unorthodox pitching style has taken a lot of heat because of the violent motion, but he developed it with his father when he was a young boy and has never had any injury problems. We in the bay area are lucky to have him. GO GIANTS!!!!
What the are you saying?
Are you re ed?
I'd probably still pick Josh Beckett in a game seven over anyone mentioned.
I really like Beckett also. Love the nasty demeanor and his desire to be put in the pressure situation. Hopefully he and the rest of the Sox can keep beating the 'Evil Empire', god I hate the yankees!!
In a big game I'm going to take Felix. The guy is just flat out NASTY! He's just been overpowering for the last couple of months.
I take webb on 4 days rest
to make sure his sinking is sinking
Clayton Kershaw has been the best pitcher in the majors the past month and the guy in only 21! Just give it a year or two and he'll be the best pitcher in the major leagues.
Lince , Felix, please, I'll take Kershaw!!!!!
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