Universal Healthcare that works.

[ratm1221]

I'm not saying I know the answers, but something has to change. US Healthcare is terrible.

The more claims insurances reject the more money they make.

Have any of you been to the emergency room lately? I hate to break it to you but people are already getting free health care and you are already paying for it. Emergency rooms can't refuse to treat someone, and guess who picks up the tab? You really think that aspirin you got cost the hospital the 7 bucks they charge you for it?

Doctors see patients as quick as they can to get the next person in so they can stay profitable. I went to the Doctor the other day because I had a giant painful purple spot on my leg. The doctor walked right in, wrote me an rx for an antibiotic and walked out in less than a minute. Didn't even ask me to pull up my pants to see the bite/infection/cancer/whatever the it was...

Doctors prescribe medications for incentives from drug companies. Not because one works better than others. Every time I'm sitting in a doctors office I watch at least 2 drug reps go in to talk to the doctor while I have to sit there and wait for an hour and 1/2 to see the dr for 1 minute. The drug reps get more time with the dr than a patient??

The guy in the office next to me at work has Crones. He will be paying off medical bills for his entire life. I'm sure he'll still have 50,000 in debt when he dies. AND he has insurance.

I pay $250 a month for insurance. Yet I still pay %20 percent of my bill after I meet a $750 deductible. I have to have a procedure done every 2 years and I usually end up paying over $1,000 bucks out of my pocket. I take 2 meds and my wife takes 4. I spend about $100 a month for prescriptions. So that comes to about $4700 a year on average. That doesn't even count dr visits and random illnesses.

I couldn't even imagine trying to pay for all that on 35 or 40k a year like a lot of normal people make, and keep up with bills and pay for food.

The US is the only first world country that doesn't have Universal Healthcare. Period.

[Spursmania]

Ratm-this universal government bill will only make your waiting times worse. A change just to make a change will not take care of these problems. We have to reform the insurance companies and drug companies. This bill doesn't do that. The CBO states that,in fact, this bill increases medical costs and puts more of the burden of health care on the federal government.

Also, if you don't like the quality of health care you're getting now, you're going to like the government run reform even less. A government system that covers 45 million more Americans will be anything but efficient nor will it cut down in costs.
Your waiting time will grow exponentially and that's after you've made your appointment days and weeks in advance.

This bill is an illusory dream. When you wake up it'll be a nightmare.

[LnGrrrR]

Ratm-this universal government bill will only make your waiting times worse. A change just to make a change will not take care of these problems. We have to reform the insurance companies and drug companies. This bill doesn't do that. The CBO states that,in fact, this bill increases medical costs and puts more of the burden of health care on the federal government.

Also, if you don't like the quality of health care you're getting now, you're going to like the government run reform even less. A government system that covers 45 million more Americans will be anything but efficient nor will it cut down in costs.
Your waiting time will grow exponentially and that's after you've made your appointment days and weeks in advance.

This bill is an illusory dream. When you wake up it'll be a nightmare.

Again, of all anti-government-health-care arguments, the 'waiting time' one is the weakest.

If one doesn't like the long waiting time, surely they could keep a private plan right?

Then people say, "But businesses will be at odds with cheaper government care, until the government has a monopoly on service!"

But... if the government service is so bad, that will create a market for quick medical service, even if it's pricy. But richer people should be able to afford the faster medical service.

[TeyshaBlue]

But... if the government service is so bad, that will create a market for quick medical service, even if it's pricy. But richer people should be able to afford the faster medical service.

Which brings into focus the other leg of the anti-govt. healthcare camp....healthcare prices increase.

[LnGrrrR]

Which brings into focus the other leg of the anti-govt. healthcare camp....healthcare prices increase.

Yes, creation of a government health care will split health care into two 'tiers' as it were.

Free, crappy, long-waiting healthcare, or pretty damn expensive, specialized, relatively quick healthcare.

[Spursmania]

[Wild Cobra]

I couldn't even imagine trying to pay for all that on 35 or 40k a year like a lot of normal people make, and keep up with bills and pay for food.

The US is the only first world country that doesn't have Universal Healthcare. Period.

So you want it paid for with "Other Peoples Money?"

Screw that.

Maybe the USA is the best nation in the world because we haven't yet been as socialized as other nations...

Think about that!

[Winehole23]

Are you a red man now WC or just sports crazed?

It stopped being fashionable for white people to claim native ancestry about 30 years ago...back then it was about every third or fourth kid it seemed to me.

Do you actually have some?

[Winehole23]

Wait wait, don't tell me.

You do but you never claimed it on any official paperwork.

[jacobdrj]

I am not as worried about people who are uninsured as I am people who have the 'best' insurance and get dropped when they need it the most.

When you don't get a service you paid for, that is a flawed system. That is a corrupt system. That is a broken system...

On a side note, I have no idea why companies are flipping the bill for their employees. Why shouldn't all employees have the right to choose their health care themselves? I don't want benefits from my company. I want a better paycheck, so I can pick and choose my services as I see fit.

Aside from this, corporations are 'imaginary people' that are created with the blessing of the government to help facilitate certain aspects of making business. They are afforded certain rights and privileges. But that comes with a cost: increased government scrutiny and cost double taxation. That is how it should be. If you don't like it, be a sole proprietor...

[Wild Cobra]

Are you a red man now WC or just sports crazed?

It stopped being fashionable for white people to claim native ancestry about 30 years ago...back then it was about every third or fourth kid it seemed to me.

Do you actually have some?

Yes, I actually have Cherokee and Blackfoot in me. However, what I posted is my High School mascot. I ran across this pic, and decided to use it.

[Winehole23]

Aside from this, corporations are 'imaginary people' that are created with the blessing of the government to help facilitate certain aspects of making business. They are afforded certain rights and privileges. But that comes with a cost: increased government scrutiny and cost. That is how it should be. If you don't like it, be a sole proprietor...

I agree. Corporations are creatures of the state and should be limitable at will like their progenitor, the royal franchise.

One of the costs of extending 14th amendment protection and free speech to these fictional, notionally eternal persons, is that their advice to our representatives often becomes the law. Corporations have evidently captured our politicians and our political process to the common detriment.

The legal foundations of corporate personhood ought to be revisited IMO, lest they grow big enough to make the state itself a dependent.

The corporation is a burgeoning an; the state is Uranus. I'd say get ready for the new Zeus, but his footprints are all over us already.

The Predator State

[boutons_deux]

America is fully "corporatised", corporate money has captured law making and enforcement agencies. Corps are now supra-national en ies, often more wealthy and powerful than the (corrupt) countries they operate in. Intended side effect: disenfranchisement of citizens. The Repugs are openly "business friendly" s and mafia, with consumers, employees, citizens, patients getting ed and drained of their wealth.

[Marcus Bryant]

I agree. Corporations are creatures of the state and should be limitable at will like their progenitor, the royal franchise.

One of the costs of extending 14th amendment protection and free speech to these fictional, notionally eternal persons, is that their advice to our representatives often becomes the law. Corporations have evidently captured our politicians and our political process to the common detriment.

The legal foundations of corporate personhood ought to be revisited IMO, lest they grow big enough to make the state itself a dependent.

The corporation is a burgeoning an; the state is Uranus. I'd say get ready for the new Zeus, but his footprints are all over us already.

The Predator State

Not to mention that the state and those zombies often collaborate to get what they want out of the people, and that's not just greater subsidies or desired regulations. Naturally campaign finance reform would not address this fundamental problem, much like health care "reform" does not address the fundamental problem in the health care industry. The corporate state is an ever present reality today. And we pretend elections matter.

[LnGrrrR]

I agree that the idea of personhood for a corporation, eternal personhood at that, is ridiculous and begs to be abuse the system.

[Nbadan]

...they have names for these types of govts.......Banana Republics...

[sam1617]

America is fully "corporatised", corporate money has captured law making and enforcement agencies. Corps are now supra-national en ies, often more wealthy and powerful than the (corrupt) countries they operate in. Intended side effect: disenfranchisement of citizens. The Repugs are openly "business friendly" s and mafia, with consumers, employees, citizens, patients getting ed and drained of their wealth.

As opposed to Democrats, who are corrupted in secret.

I actually agree that super corporations are evil, but anything that gets as large as they have will be evil by nature, government included.

Power corrupts, and money corrupts, a strong centralized government (or corporation) also centralizes the corruption. What do you people think is going to happen when more and more power is taken from the hands of the people and given to the government? You think our current disenfranchisement is bad, just wait, when the UN is running everything in 100 years, its going to get a lot worse.