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lol the big hiccup ...
"I know there are some financial constraints," Nash's agent, Bill Duffy, said. "Given that, Robert Sarver remains steadfast in his commitment to Steve and his belief that Steve can lead this organization to the top of the NBA. Steve believes that as well. I think there was a hiccup in the last year and a half, but they feel that can be corrected."
http://www.azcentral.com/sports/suns...90720nash.html
lol the big hiccup ...
Anyone that might jeopardize Nash's career long absence from the NBA finals is considered a hiccup I guess.
"and he deferred $3 million of each year's salary to the two years after the contract expires."
I God's, but that is a reckless business strategy for Sarver to sign off on.
To quote Sarver himself, "I'm not one that thinks long term on anything."
LOL at Nash being able to lead the Suns to the top, he can believe all he wants but it wont happen.
Pussy can't even say it himself.
One thing Nash has perfected is hiding behind other people's skirt and letting them speak for him so they get all the blame.
I wonder which of the following is going to happen:
1) da_suns_fan and Pauls931 create a re ed justification for this new thing
2) They just pretend this thread isn't here
I go with option 2.
Haven't heard from them two in a bit, anyway.
They have both posted either today or yesterday.
It weirds me out that as a Suns fan you hate Nash so much.
Just for the sake of an exercise in devil's advocacy, Shaq got his #s and the team sucked. Maybe a different owner doesn't salary dump him for spare parts...but how do you improve defensively by trading Marion's ability to guard 4 positions for Shaq's ability to get murdered on the pic and roll, a play that is only run 90% of the time by 100% of all NBA teams?
I think the SSOL teams were fatally flawed...despite good individual defenders like Bell, Diaw and Marion, they routinely gave up 50%+ shooting nights, and you can't win a le that way. So I'm not saying they should've stayed pat, since the team couldn't win a championship and Marion was unhappy. Marion for Shaq was doomed from the start. Was Amare for KG ever offered by Minny? I don't want to criticize the Suns for a move that wasn't feasible, but I think they should've done something different than the Marion trade.
The team was 2-5 in the games Shaq missed, and would have been 0-7 if not for a fluke Matt Barnes game winner against the OKC Thunder and a Dwight Howard injury in the 2nd quarter. Maybe they sucked with Shaq but they were a lot ter w/o Shaq.
You figure that when Amare repeatedly es about playing center and says that if moved down to power forward he's be more active on defense, he'd be the one to step up his S/R defense since he's got the size and athleticism to do so.
I'm in tired of hearing about the Suns like they actually had good pick and roll defense before the Shaq trade. Yeah, maybe it wasn't as bad as it was w/ Shaq, but it was still pretty in terrible. The biggest reason the Suns suck at pick and roll defense is Steve Nash who makes no effort to fight through screens whatsoever and has refused to address his habit of leaving Amare and Shaq on an island to guard Tony Parker and Chris Paul. Steve Nash didn't take one iota of responsibility for how horrible this team was defensively this season, instead he blamed it on Shaq when he said, "Our big men aren't active enough."
Doesn't that mean that Nash should get his share of blame, so we're not excusing Shaq's laziness at showing on the p'n'r?
You could also say they would be a lot tier w/o Nash or w/o Amare. Their playoff chances died with Amare's eye injury...and I think the team would've been much worse off if Nash had gone down with an injury and forced to go with a PG by committee of Barbosa, Hill and Dragic.
The theory was that Shaq would improve their interior defense and wouldn't slow down their running game. In reality a bad defensive team became worse and for the most part Shaq gummed up the works on offense. At least in the regular season SSOL worked because you obliterate the need to be great on defense when you increase the # of possessions and turn it into a game of offensive efficiency. Turning them into a half-court team made them less dangerous on offense. Defense and half-court execution wins les. Only under D'Antoni did they have some success with a hybrid approach of Shaq/SSOL. '
The net result is that Shawn Marion circa early 2008 has been turned into spare part garbage, a poor case of asset management.
Last edited by Findog; 07-21-2009 at 08:41 PM.
I watched every Suns game and I didn't see a lazy pick and roll defender, I saw a 330 pound center who tried his best but doesn't have the physical tools to guard the pick and roll. Big difference.
Giving up Marion for an over the hill Shaq on a team that relies totally on run and gun was a big hiccup. I agree. Shaq made their defense worse as well.
I don't think Nash has the physical tools or the lateral quickness to keep most guards in front of him. I understand your frustration that they extended this guy when they don't appear to have the tools to contend anytime soon, but I think like Shaq, he is still a very good, albeit very flawed, player.
I never said I disagree with that.......I also never said I wanted them to keep Shaq......I know getting rid of Nash would make them a crappy team in the short term, but at this point I don't give a about the short term, I care about the long term.
His lack of natural ability is one thing, his selfish habit of ball hawking running around going for steals leaving his man open is a completely different thing.
Since Marion acted like a 3 year old and had hurt feelings over being told he wasn't a max contract player, he was gonna leave anyway.
Findog, maybe you're misunderstanding what I'm saying. I'm not saying trading Nash and keeping Shaq would have solved everything. I'm saying that their current plan of trading Shaq for nothing thinking it will be the greatest example of addition by subtraction in human history is re ed. If it were up to me Nash and Shaq would both be traded.
DUNCAN is correct here. It was awful. It bordered on like the comical. D'Antoni had Daddy chasin' the play all the way out to the 3 point line.
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