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The 2003 Spurs MIGHT have made it out of the first round with Kobe.
Instead of, you know, winning a le with Tim at the reins.
Winning is important, right? And Duncan is a greater winner than Kobe. That's not an opinion, but a fact.
FACT: The Spurs have the highest winning percentage of any team in the NFL, NBA, MLB and NHL since Duncan arrived.
FACT: Duncan has a higher winning percentage than Kobe.
FACT: Duncan has more individual accolades than Kobe does.
How is this even a discussion?
The 2003 Spurs MIGHT have made it out of the first round with Kobe.
Instead of, you know, winning a le with Tim at the reins.
ALL-TIME PLAYER WINNING PERCENTAGES
PLAYER REG. SEASON PLAYOFFS
Larry Bird .736 .604
Manu Ginobili .724 .654
Sam Jones .718 .649
Bill Russell .717 .648
Tony Parker .716 .615
Tim Duncan .712 .631
Scottie Pippen .688 .654
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar .688 .650
Magic Johnson .674 .740
Shaquille O'Neal .672 .601
Robert Horry .671 .635
Michael Jordan .659 .665
Bob Cousy .655 .578
Jerry West .638 .569
There are some interesting things about this list, but for the most part, the players on this list are all time greats. Only a handful of players weren't all time greats and I think we all know who they are when we see them.
If you notice Duncan is on this list, and I'd highlight Kobe's winning percentage except, it doesn't show up on the list.
I think Tony would have been fine. There were plenty of small guards that played in those times, look at Calvin Murphy. Players would adapt as they need to. Plus, Tony played overseas where they play rough. He was also playing with men when he was 15-16 years old.
Kobe was not good enough to get his team to the level of the Spurs in 2005, 2006 and 2007. Spurs dominated LA all three of those years and probably would have won 4-0 or 4-1.
Tim has also won 4 finals not three. And Tim performs on the highest level, he has never let his team fail in the finals, unlike Kobe.
The Doctor knows what he is talking about!!! Great (traditional) big men are hard to come by during these NBA days. Guards are a dime of dozen...no surprises here!!!
Dr. J is an ABA loyalist from way back. Don't lose sight of that little wrinkle.
Actually, there is no case to be made for Kobe as GOAT. He isn't even the GOAT at position. He'll always be L'il Mike.
I've always said I could careless who is better than who as long as the rings keep coming in. Just like people telling me Peyton Manning is better than Big Ben. I shrug and laugh and say Big Ben has 2 rings...Peyton 1. I dont care if Big Ben completes 30% of his passes and Peyton 100%...as long as the Steelers keep winning championships. Do you think people in Utah can feel good that Karl malone is better than Horace Grant even though Horace Grant is a 4 time NBA champion?
laka, laka, lakaluva, may I remind you that Kobe does NOT play for the Spurs. Everyone worldwide considers the Spurs as the team of the Decade!!! Teams of the Decade do NOT get their asses kicked twice in the Finals. Sheeeeeeshhh kid, are you really this out of touch with reality! Also the rapist did NOT lead the LaLa Land Fakers to anything other than this past season's championship....a weakened version I might add. Everyone on the planet knows had KG not been knocked out of the playoffs with the knee injury that your little girlieboy team would have had their sorry asses kicked two years in a row. That ass-kicking your team took in the 2008 NBA Finals at the hands of the Boston Celtics was probably the most embarrASSing Finals for a team as any of us ever witnessed. Even more embarrASSing than the 2006 Mavettes ass-kicking by the Shaq led Miami Heat. You and your little faker friends need to get this through your numbskulls!
haha what a great rant. i agree totally, you should get on jim rome's radio show.
try saying that to ol' rick's face. we'll see how wise that filthy mouth of yours is.....
p.s. what did the 19 year old kobe do in the finals? oops, he didn't make it. the 20 year old kobe? um, he got SWEPT* in the 2nd round.
* ed up by a bunch of 'old' dudes.
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sit on a grill
Come to think of it, even though the Spurs lost this year in the first round; it's nothing compared to the magnanimity and humiliation that the Lakers received in the 08 Finals. Yeah I agree, if KG didn't go down this year, these Fakers are probably getting their collective nuts kicked. I wouldn't be too confident if I were the Lakers. They just won a championship when contending teams' best players were injured
Laker fans rooting for rapist Kobe...
Timmy D seems to get a lot of respect and recognition from many of the greatest players who ever played the game. In a court of law that doesn't exactly translate into him being the best. But they are one of an endorsement.
At the end of their respective careers, Duncan >>>>>>>>>>>>>Kobe. Kobe has to live under the shadow of MJ when everything is said and done. Duncan on the other hand is already considered the greatest PF to ever play the game, way before his retirement.
i think being a contender every single year, and not drifting off into irrelevence like the Lakers did for three years, one of which they mssed the playoffs entirely, is the reason the Spurs should be considered the team of the decade.
you can argue both ways, but i believe the Spurs etched themselves the le of team of the decade on the 2010's tombstone because of their longevity, and the three championships that accompanied it.
and, just food for thought:
amazing thing is if it weren't for a .4 shot and a very stupid foul by Ginbolili, the Spurs could very well have five championships this decade, basically making it a no-brainer that they are team of the decade.
I hear where Dr.J is coming from ...notice he didnt mention Shaq? He also called Duncan a center ...duh! Been saying he is a center for years only Duncan and the SPurs FO try to masquerade him at PF he hasnt really been one since David left...especially in big moments or games ...
Duncan is the best big man of his era dont see how some Spurs fans could argue Shaq ...
i think being a contender every single year, and not drifting off into irrelevence like the Lakers did for three years, one of which they mssed the playoffs entirely, is the reason the Spurs should be considered the team of the decade.
you can argue both ways, but i believe the Spurs etched themselves the le of team of the decade on the 2010's tombstone because of their longevity, and the three championships that accompanied it.
and, just food for thought:
amazing thing is if it weren't for a .4 shot and a very stupid foul by Ginbolili, the Spurs could very well have five championships this decade, basically making it a no-brainer that they are team of the decade.
Sorry the only no brainer is to make that conclusive ...Spurs where the MOST consistent byt Lakers have 4 les out of 10 with 6 Finals appearnces. It's either they are tied if you count finals ...Lakers are. Mavs made the playoffs all decade to what does that get them?
Excuses ! again les all that matter ...so they are tied ..plus the Lakers had 2 other chances at it ...
off the court especially
Shaq carried the Lakers to three consecutive les, not Kobe. Who wins 3 Finals MVP during that period? Shaq, not Kobe. Stop fooling yourself.
Very well said.
Kobe tries all things "To Be Like Mike", including wagging his tounge while driving!
Duncan is comfortable being who he is!
It's called being a prima-donna.
Duncan is spelled m-a-t-u-r-e. He's all about team.
Agreed. Put an (*) on their Shaq-less " le".
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