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Duncan.
Dirk regular season averages for his career: 23 and 9. Playoffs: 26 and 11. And a Finals appearance as a #1 guy on his resume. If I'm a GM, there's quite a few guys I'll take over Dirk because of age/contract differences. But to go to war and win a ballgame tomorrow, I would only take Kobe, LeBron, Wade and Duncan over Dirk.
Duncan.
John Stockton's Jazz lost by 40 points to the Bulls in the Finals. Did they quit? Oh, and that team had far more talent than the Hornets had last season.
121-63. Those guys you listed are better than D-Leaguers. If they weren't, they wouldn't be in the League.
If you actually saw "those guys" play, you would reconsider. Antonio "Mr. Freeze" Daniels manages to blow every single lead the Hornets have with his point guard play (or lack thereof). Ryan Bowen doesn't do anything at all, except turn the ball over and foul. Hilton Armstrong is a useless fouling machine as well, and Sean Marks has practically been on every team in the league.I'm criticizing the Mavs for losing four times straight to an inferior team. Close losses still count as losses. A loss by 58 points and a loss by 1 point both count the same. And your team was better! That's the thing.
They at least played hard and fought to the final buzzer in that series. Your team quit. What exactly are you criticizing the Mavs for? How can you criticize another team for not having heart and being losers for being outscored by 6 points over 144 minutes, when your team suffered a historically embarrassing loss at home?
But I want to get this straight:
1.) Mavs fans think David West is overrated.
2.) Chris Paul is being double and triple teamed.
3.) Nobody outside of Paul and West can create their own shots, and the latter is playing on a bad back after logging the eighth most minutes in the league.
What the do you think is going to happen? You don't give the Nuggets enough credit; they dismantled the Hornets.
If my team truly quit, how come they won a game? Game 3 was turning out just like Game 4, but the Hornets managed to win that one. Also, YOUR TEAM DIDN'T WIN . You can't put 60+ win seasons in a trophy case.And your team will quit at home and you'll criticize another far more successful franchise for coming up an inch short. This is nothing new.
Neither franchise has a single one of these:.
You're missing the point entirely, but that's not a surprise. You don't get to call out another team or player for being "quitters," "lacking heart," and being "losers," when your team did this:
Again you miss the point. Those guys are better than D-Leaguers. I trust Jeff Bowers player evaluation skills over yours. And even if they were D-Leaguers, I'm pretty sure the Arkansas Rim Rockers or Albany Patroons could stay within 58 of the Nuggets at home. You have the gall to call out Dirk and the Mavs for losing and not having heart after your team and leader put up an embarrassing quit job.If you actually saw "those guys" play, you would reconsider. Antonio "Mr. Freeze" Daniels manages to blow every single lead the Hornets have with his point guard play (or lack thereof). Ryan Bowen doesn't do anything at all, except turn the ball over and foul. Hilton Armstrong is a useless fouling machine as well, and Sean Marks has practically been on every team in the league.
They could've played hard and not QUIT.1.) Mavs fans think David West is overrated.
2.) Chris Paul is being double and triple teamed.
3.) Nobody outside of Paul and West can create their own shots, and the latter is playing on a bad back after logging the eighth most minutes in the league.
What the do you think is going to happen? You don't give the Nuggets enough credit; they dismantled the Hornets.
Well said dude.
No, you're missing the point. You completely dodged the question. John Stockton and Karl Malone were blown out by 40 points in the Finals. DID. THEY. QUIT?
Again you miss the point. Those guys are better than D-Leaguers. I trust Jeff Bowers player evaluation skills over yours. And even if they were D-Leaguers, I'm pretty sure the Arkansas Rim Rockers or Albany Patroons could stay within 58 of the Nuggets at home. You have the gall to call out Dirk and the Mavs for losing and not having heart after your team and leader put up an embarrassing quit job.
And you keep saying this. You're making assumptions. I've watched these players play throughout the entire season, and they are garbage. I already told you, but you refuse to listen.
How did you know that they weren't playing hard? I'll repeat myself again: Garbage players will play like garbage.They could've played hard and not QUIT.
George Karl's plan was to throw defenders at Paul, and it worked. However, according to you, when the only person who can create shots for his teammates is being double and triple teamed, his ty teammates are magically supposed to not be garbage--they are magically supposed to be able to create their own shot.
The Nuggets dismantled the Hornets, and you're not giving them enough credit. If Paul isn't creating plays for his incompetent--and incapable teammates--how are they supposed to score? And instead of answering that simple question, you will repeat the same thing again.
In that game yes they did. The Hornets went out meekly in Game 5.
They are NBA caliber players. You are some dip fan, not a GM like Jeff Bowers. They are not great players, but again, they are NBA caliber players. If there are guys better than them available, they would be on the Hornets roster. I think a D League team playing at home against Denver could've done better. The starters were outscored by 39 in 3 quarters, which projects out to 52 for the game. So the scrubs were only marginally worse than the starters. Your team tucked its tail between their legs and quit. You have no business giving any other team about lacking in compe ive fire.And you keep saying this. You're making assumption. I've watched these players play throughout the entire season, and they are garbage. I already told you, but you refuse to listen.
They're not supposed to lose by 58 points at home. Nowhere have I said the Hornets should've been expected to win that series. Showing a little heart and compe ive spirit isn't asking too much.The Nuggets dismantled the Hornets, and you're not giving them enough credit. If Paul isn't creating plays for his incompetent--and incapable teammates--how are they supposed to score?
And see: you keep repeating the same thing over and over again. I'll ask you one more time:
What was supposed to happen?
How were the Hornets going to score, when one or two people on the team are the only ones who could create a shot? You haven't answered that very simple question yet.
, the Nuggets had a plan, and they executed it perfectly.
I agree, they did give up. It was an embarressing loss. There was never a chance for us to win that series due to injuries and how well the nuggets were playing, but 58 points is unforgivable and inexcusable. This arguement is going absolutely nowhere and is off-topic, so why don't yall lay off and try to stay on topic. Our bench was absolutely pathetic, and our team was hurt, but it still never should have been that bad. BTW, there was no reason for West and Paul to be in the game in the 4th if your down by 39; just creates a pointless opportunity for injury when the game had already been decided.
I went to Game 3, b/c we have season tix behing the hornets bench, and it was the most hostile environment I've ever encountered(and I have been to rap "concerts"). I knew we weren't gunna win Game 4, so I sold my tix, and feel pretty bad for the people who bought them.
I've answered your question again and again: NBA playoff teams are good enough that they can be expected to not lose by 58 points at home. I don't care if they're playing the Lakers or the freaking Detroit Pistons, that's unexcusable.
An NBA playoff team should be able to score more than 63 points in a playoff game at home. The fact that they didn't overwhelmingly suggests they quit. Deal with it.How were the Hornets going to score, when one or two people on the team are the only ones who could create a shot? You haven't answered that very simple question yet.
Made all the easier by the fact that their opponents mailed it in and put up an embarrassing quit job., the Nuggets had a plan, and they executed it perfectly.
I agree with everything you said here. Too bad your fellow Hornets fan can't seem to understand. You don't call out other teams and players for quitting when your team has something like that on its resume.
Celtics without KG = 2nd round exit team
Mavs without Dirk = lottery bound
This argument is pretty re ed seeing how Dirk owns KG head to head every time. Mavs get screwed out of a championship and all the sudden it becomes the trendy or cool thing to all over them and Dirk. Let's try to keep things in perspective, 3 years ago Dirk Nowitzki was the best player in basketball.
Tim Duncan
Oh, look--you failed to answer the question yet again. I'll repeat myself: ty players will play like . Paul was being double and triple teamed. Nobody else could create their own shots. Four out of five of the starting five were injured. The Nuggets were on a tear. It's no surprise that the Hornets were blown out. 58 points is an unexpected margin, but it was a blowout nonetheless.
I've answered your question repeatedly. The 7th seed in the West shouldn't lose by 58 at home in a playoff game. It's not my problem you don't like the answer, or you choose to on Dirk and the Mavs for sins that apply much more to your team.
A Playoff Win for the Ages
In looking back upon the Denver Nuggets first round, game four dominating 121-63 victory over the New Orleans Hornets, lets take a look at the numbers:
- Largest margin of victory on the road, in NBA playoff history (58 points)
- Tied the largest margin of victory (Minneapolis Lakers 1956) in NBA playoff history (58 points)
- The Nuggets held the Hornets to the lowest score in a half in NBA playoff history (24 points)
- The Nuggets held Chris Paul to one of the worst games of his career 4 points, 6 assists, 6 turnovers.
- It was the first time Chris Paul had scored less than 14 points in a playoff game
- Using a swarming, active defense, the Nuggets forced New Orleans into 27 turnovers and capitalized on that with 41 points
- The Nuggets shot nearly 57% from the field while holding New Orleans to less than 32%
- The Nuggets previous largest margin of victory was 30 points in 1985
- Not a single starter for either team played in the 4th quarter
- Nuggets playoff opponent all-time low total points (63)
- Nuggets playoff opponent all-time low assists (10)
- Nuggets playoff opponent all-time low field-goal percentage (31.5%)
- The last time the Nuggets won a best-of-seven playoff series was 1985
Dirk and its not even close. 05-06' dude was just unstoppable as the only all star on his team shocked everyone by taking the mavs to the finals.
KG couldn't even make the playoffs as the leader of his team.
KG>Dirk
KG is a proven clutch playoff performer and a great leader. The guy just has it all. Such an underrated player. Dirk on the other hand.............
no brainer here: Dirk
Here you go Findog. Doesn't matter if Hornets' fans do admit the embarressment of that loss. Cheap shots comming from everywhere. THE LOSS WAS EMBARRESSING!! VERY! But this is a Dirk vs. KG thread believe it or not.A Playoff Win for the Ages
In looking back upon the Denver Nuggets first round, game four dominating 121-63 victory over the New Orleans Hornets, lets take a look at the numbers:
- Largest margin of victory on the road, in NBA playoff history (58 points)
- Tied the largest margin of victory (Minneapolis Lakers 1956) in NBA playoff history (58 points)
- The Nuggets held the Hornets to the lowest score in a half in NBA playoff history (24 points)
- The Nuggets held Chris Paul to one of the worst games of his career 4 points, 6 assists, 6 turnovers.
- It was the first time Chris Paul had scored less than 14 points in a playoff game
- Using a swarming, active defense, the Nuggets forced New Orleans into 27 turnovers and capitalized on that with 41 points
- The Nuggets shot nearly 57% from the field while holding New Orleans to less than 32%
- The Nuggets previous largest margin of victory was 30 points in 1985
- Not a single starter for either team played in the 4th quarter
- Nuggets playoff opponent all-time low total points (63)
- Nuggets playoff opponent all-time low assists (10)
- Nuggets playoff opponent all-time low field-goal percentage (31.5%)
- The last time the Nuggets won a best-of-seven playoff series was 1985
One thing I try to keep in perspective is that we are the smallest market in the league by far, and we are just lucky to have a team. In actuality, we are lucky to still have a city. I just think it's in very poor taste that people on this board make fun of Katrina's effect on Nola more than sympathize. A lot of people I know in Nola lost absolutely everything they had, and the Hornets and Saints gave us something to finally cheer for. New orleans fans are known for being very protective of their teams. But those teams simply playing games back in Nola was our 1st step back towards normalcy, and gave us something to be proud of and to cheer for, which was something everyone really needed at that time. Many of us feel like we owe it to them even in bad times, b/c they helped us in the worst of times. Might be a some-what corny post, but I'm just trying to give you a little perspective into New orleans and it's fans.
i can see the argument for dirk even tho i disagree, but geez theres gotta be some texas homerism here. how can it be this lopsided? we are talking about kevin freakin garnett people. a , yes but quite possibly the best 2 way player in the game today!
you forgot \sarcasm
That's fine, and I understand where you're coming from. I think Katrina jokes are in extremely bad taste.
Im glad you detected that.
you forgot \sarcasm
In all honesty, I wouldnt trade KG for Dirk simply because of the Celts D getting worse. Dirk is a better player than KG in all areas except the D. It isnt a knock on the big German. The guy is a great player and a hall of famer no doubt and he isnt a horrible defender. KG is a sidekick but he is our defensive anchor. We have Pierce to be the man in the 4th while KG watches as his nuts shrivel.
Yeah, I mean it's close. You can make an argument for either guy.Im glad you detected that.
In all honesty, I wouldnt trade KG for Dirk simply because of the Celts D getting worse. Dirk is a better player than KG in all areas except the D. It isnt a knock on the big German. The guy is a great player and a hall of famer no doubt and he isnt a horrible defender. KG is a sidekick but he is our defensive anchor. We have Pierce to be the man in the 4th while KG watches as his nuts shrivel.
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