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Wait, what?
Mahinmi was not hurt during Summer League 2008. He got hurt in a big man camp.
Maybe the article writer smells something fishy because he's eating Fred's Fish Fry, because it's not coming from anything factual in the article.
The organization has been known to stand pat if things play out well. If we don't get anything in return for Bonner/Finely before the season starts, I doubt we will later.
Wait, what?
Mahinmi was not hurt during Summer League 2008. He got hurt in a big man camp.
Maybe the article writer smells something fishy because he's eating Fred's Fish Fry, because it's not coming from anything factual in the article.
The easiest way for the Spurs to cut the roster to 14 is to cut either Williams or Hairston. Hairston is on a roll, but I think some still see Williams as the higher ceiling?
Jeez, don't trade Ian to Houston. If by chance he develops into a nice NBA big and Houston has a frontline of Scola and Mahinmi, I would be out on a ledge.
Trade Bonner to Milwaukee for Bowen.....once the grace period from Bowen's trade is up.
back to the topic. even if Ratliff doesn't play much, because either he is injured or neither from the group of Ian, Blair, Haislip and Bonner is injured, to carry 7 bigs doesn't make sense and can't be explained with kind of a waiting game. especially considering the only big that can be sent to d-league is Blair. (wow, what an irony if Blair played d-league.).
one will be traded, if not two. (who says the package can't be Bonner+Ian)
points why likely Bonner isn't the one: his trade value will be much higher at deadline, when some teams will desperately try to improve their position for the 2010 free agency. (the dealing at deadline will be even more frantic, because of the shrinking cap). Bonner is familiar with the team system, this will be a bonus considering he is the only big outside Tim with Spurs experience. (at deadline this could look different, McDyess will learn quick, let's see what Haislip can do). Bonners 3.2 million salary can bring back a decent player. (what Ian's contract can't). so, while I wouldn't rule out that Bonner could be traded this summer, if the right deal is on the table (like Bonner for Stevenson, or Bonner plus Finley for Foster), it does have much logic to keep him at least till deadline.
(or just let his contract expire, considering this might be the number that's needed for Splitter)
my guess for most likely trades:
Ian for a 2nd rounder and a TE.
Ian plus Finley for a defensive wing
Ian plus Mason for a defensive wing
Mountainballer, do you think the Spurs would consider trading Bonner ( + filler ) for a Foster/Collison type and leave us with no big who can hit the three, and only McDyess with a good midrange J? Both of these players are better than Bonner on paper, but their skill sets would more or less cover Dice/Blair, so they wouldn't represent as much value to the team as Bonner, IMO, because his skillset is much different and gives Pop more options.
I don't think Bonner is on the trading block, unless we're bringing back another big with range or at least a player who can play minutes at the 4 and spread the floor for Duncan, like Nocioni.And,of course, unless there's a no brainer offer on the table.
I would feel a lot more comfortable with Camby in the middle of the paint.
Marcus Haislip
as timaios said.
Haislip is a PF, who can (hopefully) hit the three. and McDyess has range.
a trade for Collison doesn't make much sense, when you have McDyess and Blair on the team. a trade for Foster would make a lot of sense, considering Foster's size and mobility and his ability to defend out to the perimeter. Foster would be a great defender against players like Gasol and Dirk.
Marcus Haislip has hit a total of 4 three pointers in his NBA career and last season in Europe has been a 35-37% from the euro 3 point line. I wouldn't consider him a reliable 3 point threat at all until proven otherwise.
true. but what is the sense of a 3 point shooting PF, if he constantly totally fails in the play offs? Matt is the opposite of Horry in this regard. (in many others either of course)
it just doesn't make any difference, if Matt is on the roster or not next April. and Spurs shouldn't be that much dependent on their 3pt shooting next year anyhow.
Trading Mahinmi right now for crap makes very few sense.
Spurs have 7 bigmen but you have to look more closely at the situation. Spurs have 2 solid bigmen with McDyess and Duncan. Pop will likely be careful with Duncan's knees and McDyess is quite old. So both won't play heavy minutes.
The rest of the bigmen that will fight with Mahinmi are:
- DeJuan Blair: Very young (20 years old) and has no ACLs. It's possible that he isn't NBA ready or that he struggle staying healthy with a 100 games long season.
- Matt Bonner: Since the 3 point era, 904 players have played more than 100 minutes in the playoffs. Among these 904 players, only 15 have a worst playoff PER than Bonner.
- Marcus Haislip: Last time he played in NBA, it was quite a disaster. He has improved his game but it isn't sure at all that his new NBA try won't also be a disaster.
- Theo Ratliff: Old and had a lot of injuries. He could be done or had another injury.
That's a lot of question marks. The wise thing to do would be to let all these players fight for playing time during the training camp. Training camp will likely settle a hierarchy and it should be quite obvious who should be traded after it. Trading a 22 years old player, on a cheap contract and who could be Spurs best big from the bench next year for crap isn't a smart move.
Of course. I don't think the Spurs will make any more moves until after training camp. That will give them a much clearer picture not only what they have, both in terms of personnel and trade assets, but what they need, what other teams need, and who might be available. In other words, waiting until after training camp (or even partially through the season) allows them to make an intelligent move.
Last edited by BronxCowboy; 07-24-2009 at 08:49 AM.
I totally agree. I thought the team was in pretty good shape and leagues better than last year before they picked up Ratliff. Since there are essentially 3 rookies playing in our big man rotation and Pop favors veterans, Ratliff was probably just insurance.
Come mid season we might see a trade, but hopefully it will not involve Ian if he shines during the first part of the season.
Trading for SJak sounds like a fantasy, by the way. Not affordable or necessary.
Maybe. I'm not convinced yet.
The Spurs are one bad landing from Parker away from having to depend on a second year two-guard, and their designated closer to handle the point duties.
If I'm "all in" like the Spurs are this year, and this is potentially our shot at le #5, I'm not trusting the season to George Hill to handle the quarterback duties should Parker go down.
They'll pick up a backup point...I'm sure of it. And with all the guys currently under contract, and the spending already way over the top, it will likely be through a trade.
You can't have an all-star team on the floor AND on the bench. Every team is "one bad landing" from having a ruined season. Every team would also like to have a super-amazing-incredible backup just in case that happens. It doesn't work that way though. And who cares if you're not convinced yet? Is it you who has to be convinced? Who are you anyway?
If we are "all in" as you say, we also have to asume that the core players like Parker are staying healthy...if he goes down, than we dont stand a chance anyway and befor playing only with Hill and some SG's as our PG's, we could also pull a Orlando Magic and get another player in.
lets take another look at our rotation:
best-5:
Parker
Manu
Jefferson
Dyess
Duncan
the young players:
Hill/McClinton
Williams/Hairston
Hairston
Blair
Mahinmi
the rest:
Mason
Finley
Bonner
Ratliff
lets take a closer look at this last group, coz the first group is set and the second would only be traded as a trade sweetener (dont see Hairston or Blair beeing that):
Ratliff:
don't see us signing him just to trade him away...he is just what the frontcourt needed: a shotblocking presense for spot minutes...really liked that signing and he should stay...imagine: seriess against dallas...Barea is going to the basket and the sun darkens coz of Timmy and Theo waiting for him
Bonner:
two words: unique skillset. there should be games where he doesnt play at all and there should be games where he fits perfectly as a player who does the spacing so well...I'm not his biggest fan, but unless we get another 4 who can hit long range shots, I'm all for keeping him...only thing that hurts is his contract which is to high for his actual production...but its not as bad as with other players on other teams
Finley+Mason:
kind of the same skillset even while Mason has some PG skills as well. and thats the problem. why have two players on the roster, that give the same to the team? ok, with shooters you still have to go with the player who hits shots and so on, but its not like we have invinite roster spots and players like Manu and Jefferson have that ability + other stuff too!
that said I think either Finley or Mason will be traded (IF someone is traded)..I'd think Mason is the odd man, coz he is worth more than Finley.
mybe we add Ian (coz why should a team trade for one of them alone?) and see what we can get and what fits.
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needs and options:
a backup PG:
we dont need a backup PG, that we have to trade for...if we really need one, ask Jaque to play one more year! (actually I like that idea if we have room, but after all that means someone else would have to go to Austin which shoulnd be needed)
a defensive wing:
we are really lacking one...dont see us getting Battier, but Raja Bell might be an option, Thabo as well...not sure who fits that bill and is a spurs type player too.
WWJD?:
he would try to package either Mason or Finley with Ian and get Bell or Thabo...additionally bring back Bruce!
rotation:
Parker/Hill/ (McClinton)
Bell/Manu/ (Hairston) / (Williams)
Jefferson/Finley
Dyess/Blair/Haislip
Duncan/Ratliff/Bonner
The FO is working overtime to relieve Tim of his burdens for the last 2 seasons. Dice, Blair, Haisplip and Rats. That leaves Ian or Matt. Matt does the one thing Ian does't---a proven 3 point shooter. I don't see any minutes for Ian here. Question? What teams need a Mahimni[who needs to play minutes this year]? A rebuiding team! #1 choice -the Rockets. Mahimni + whatever makes sense for us--Bonner or Findley or Mason, Haireston] for LUIS SCOLA. That trade has been a pin in our ass for 2 years. Houston is simply waiting for Yao in 2010. SCOLA coming off the bench for Tim would be awesome. LUIS should have always been a Spur! Rats one year deal indicates that Splitter will be coming next season. If The Rockets were desperate enough to offer Gortat the MLE then Ian[22] is a good risk for a 28-29 year old PF. My #2 choice is the Wizards Mike Miller. The Wizards have too, too, too many shooter/ scorers. Miller really doesn't fit because shooters need to shot a lot. If Air-Arenas is back then Miller will be looking at 6-8 attempts a game. His contract is big[less likely] but expiring. of a starter with Manu relieving him.
I know, I know...speaking of possible trades, that never have mentioned bei either FO is re ed (start the bashing!), but:...
thinking about the possibilities and the chances of trades happening one trade makes a lot of sense to me:
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMa...tradeId=l7zn6q
allredy mentioned it (kind of):
Thabo for Finley and Ian!
for OKC:
1) they should be interested in Ian...Mullins could be a nice project, but they could use someone like Ian as an even better prsopect...especially with Krstic beeing able to play PF for some minutes which would give them a nice big lineup
2) they should like Finley beeing the mentor to Harden and Durant
3) they are not there yet...teams like Cleveland, Boston or the Mavs wont trade with us, but they shouldnt have problems
4) Sam Pestri
for us:
1) we get that defensive wing without loosing much
2) "not much"=trading a player with good potential for a player with good potential while only adding someon who is redundant
things that speak against it:
1) Sam Pestri...he should have an open line to RC and Pop...why didnt it already happen
2) its nothing which will double our chances to become champion...it just evens out the lineup, while giving us the oportunity to pick up Bowen too
btw.: I like to play with the new lineups in NBA2k9 and Ian always seems like the player I have no use for (not with ratliff on board)
ers are crazy if they want to ship Ian away.
Thunder players who play PF or C: Green, Ibaka, White, Collison, Krstic, Mullens
players, who are projects: Ibaka, White, Mullens
players similar to Ian: Ibaka, Mullens
Thunder players, who are above average wing defenders: Sefolosha
if you are a GM, who wants to keep his job, would you add another project where you already have a longjam and therefore trade away your best defender?
Not losing much? A 22-year-old C with quickness and athletic ability isn't a lot? Not to mention the fact that, for his age, he's actually quite developed, especially when you see the other Cs his age that are highly thought of (Thabeet, for example) and have similar talents. I understand what you're saying that Sefolosha still has potential, along with far more polish than Mahinmi. However, Mahinmi, despite what you may think, has a TON of potential (more than Sefolosha). The only thing that really stopped him from competing for a spot last year was a badly mis-diagnosed injury. Why would you give up on Mahinmi when he hasn't had a real chance to prove himself?
Not to mention the thought that even if Sefolosha had the same amount of potential that Mahinmi has with his current level of polish that:
Young, very athletic C > Young, talented, defensive wing
Why? Simply put, there are a lot more talented defensive wings out there than highly athletic centers. , why not give Hairston the chance to be that defensive wing that we all covet so much? If he doesn't turn out to be that by the trade deadline, then you can make a trade for a defensive wing, and you might not have to give up as much to get him (depending if the trading partner is out of contention and desperately trying to free up cap room).
All that being said, there is absolutely ZERO reason to trade Mahinmi at the moment, and it would take Scola trade-esque stupidity for the FO to do so.
Add to that, he may turn out to be a better option at back-up C than Ratliff this season; it wouldn't shock me in the least if Mahinmi out performed the 36-year-old who only played in 46 games last year AND who has a rather long history of injury.
Oh, and also, game creators use past performances to decide the ratings of the players, so a video game is not a good indicator of future successes/failings at all, especially during the off-season.
mahimini may still be able to offer something to the spurs and obviously the spurs FO believes this or else he would have been dumped by now.
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