Obama/Gates/Police fiasco....

[Winehole23]

Holy , you teach kids that they need to do whatever cops tell them to? I guess that makes sense, a state ins ution instilling a sense of fear and servitude to the state.

Submit to all lawful orders, dummy!

Am I free to go, works great for me.

[Yonivore]

So a cop shows up on your porch and asks you to step outside. Naturally a bootlicker like Yonivore would think you should do so.

If I had just got through breaking into my own house? Yep.

[DarkReign]

Did he have probable cause?

Im in my house, I really wouldnt give a flying what his cause was/is.

[sam1617]

Im in my house, I really wouldnt give a flying what his cause was/is.

He had probable cause, he can just come in. He asked him to step outside to be polite, and because its appropriate. The professor wouldn't have gotten arrested if he had been reasonable with the officer.

[Marcus Bryant]

Im in my house, I really wouldnt give a flying what his cause was/is.

Indeed.

[sam1617]

Indeed.

There was no evidence that it was HIS house. There was an unidentified man in a house after a reported burglary.

I wonder if you got robbed and the police came buy but didn't go in, whether you would be happy with the situation...

[resistanze]

There was no evidence that it was HIS house. There was an unidentified man in a house after a reported burglary.

You mean even after he provided identification?

[sam1617]

You mean even after he provided identification?

Did you read the police report at all? After the officer got the id, he radioed it in, found out, Gates asked for his name, he gave it, Gates asked for his name again, he told him that he had given it already, and then said he was going outside, if Gates wanted to continue the conversation out there he could.

If you want to read the police report yourself...
http://www.samefacts.com/archives/Po...s%20arrest.PDF

[TheProfessor]

Mountains out of molehills.

[DarrinS]

Im in my house, I really wouldnt give a flying what his cause was/is.

Would you give a flying if you were in your car?


I just pulled over by a cop this past week, and when he asked for my driver's license, my first thought wasn't to be belligerent (even though I was pissed). I've learned over the years that being rude to law enforcement usually doesn't go over too well.

[clambake]

you don't know the difference between your car and your house?

[Marcus Bryant]

you don't know the difference between your car and your house?

[doobs]

Everyone: stop saying he was arrested for being rude to a police officer in his house.

Please read the police report and think about the fact that there were many witnesses to Gates being disorderly outside his house.

[SnakeBoy]

In my opinion Obama never had a great host to lose in this forum.

No great optimism for Obama that I can see gets expressed here, or was IMO, except maybe for DarrinS, who's exaggeratedly disappointed, now that his totally unrealistic expectations of Obama have been dashed. For him, the process of disillusionment coincided more or less exactly with Obama's election. As I recall, anyway.

I sense a lot of wary appraisal and disappointment from board libs.

You should encourage this wary appraisal, Yoni, rather than continuing to twit them for being demented cultists.

That's what they get for voting against someone who wasn't on the ballot.

I recall a number of them supported Obama simply to alleviate their feelings of white guilt.

[DarrinS]

you don't know the difference between your car and your house?

What's your point?

There are actually people out there that try to evade police by hurrying to their house, like it's some kind of ing sancuary. If a cop sees you driving erratically and turns on his lights, and you're only a couple of miles from your house, so you decide to make a run for it, does the officer have a right to arrest you at your home?

[resistanze]

Did you read the police report at all? After the officer got the id, he radioed it in, found out, Gates asked for his name, he gave it, Gates asked for his name again, he told him that he had given it already, and then said he was going outside, if Gates wanted to continue the conversation out there he could.

If you want to read the police report yourself...
http://www.samefacts.com/archives/Po...s%20arrest.PDF

You said there was no evidence it was his house. At what point? After Gates provided his identification?

I've read the report. I was under the impression the officer wrote it. Or was is rather an unbiased omnipresent individual floating above the situation?

[doobs]

You said there was no evidence it was his house. At what point? After Gates provided his identification?

I've read the report. I was under the impression the officer wrote it. Or was is rather an unbiased omnipresent individual floating above the situation?

But the report specifically mentions several witnesses---both police officers and onlookers---to Gates' disorderly behavior outside his residence. But you knew that already, because you read the report.

[clambake]

What's your point?

There are actually people out there that try to evade police by hurrying to their house, like it's some kind of ing sancuary. If a cop sees you driving erratically and turns on his lights, and you're only a couple of miles from your house, so you decide to make a run for it, does the officer have a right to arrest you at your home?

wtf are you talking about, now?

geez....

[DarrinS]

You said there was no evidence it was his house. At what point? After Gates provided his identification?

I've read the report. I was under the impression the officer wrote it. Or was is rather an unbiased omnipresent individual floating above the situation?

What about the statement of the other officer (who is Hispanic BTW)? Witnesses that corroborate the officers version of events?

They are even considering releasing 911 audio.

http://www.bostonherald.com/news/reg...icleid=1186764

[resistanze]

But the report specifically mentions several witnesses---both police officers and onlookers---to Gates' disorderly behavior outside his residence. But you knew that already, because you read the report.

Oh, so you're saying that witness helped write his account of what occurred? Gotcha. It's a mystery why they dropped the charges.

[sam1617]

You said there was no evidence it was his house. At what point? After Gates provided his identification?

I've read the report. I was under the impression the officer wrote it. Or was is rather an unbiased omnipresent individual floating above the situation?

There was no evidence it was his house when the cop showed up and asked for ID. After he got the evidence he was willing to leave.

Also, considering this officer was hired by the department to train in avoiding racial profiling, you would think he would be good at it. I kinda doubt that an officer with that kind of training would lie in that situation... Of course, I'm a little biased in this, because I think most professors are pretty damn useless, so...

Article saying he was a trainer in avoiding racial profiling - http://www.breitbart.com/article.php...show_article=1

Oddly enough, the article also says that he was the officer who administered CPR on Reggie Lewis when he died back in 1993...

[Viva Las Espuelas]

james the policeman

watch your p's and q's

[doobs]

Oh, so you're saying that witness helped write his account of what occurred? Gotcha. It's a mystery why they dropped the charges.

No, genius, I'm saying that the cop would be really stupid to make up an account of how things went down if witnesses and other police officers were to contradict him. You're less likely to lie if there are witnesses.

That's obvious.

Oh, and stop acting stupidly.

[sam1617]

Oh, so you're saying that witness helped write his account of what occurred? Gotcha. It's a mystery why they dropped the charges.

Probably because disorderly conduct charges are dropped all the time.

[resistanze]

There was no evidence it was his house when the cop showed up and asked for ID. After he got the evidence he was willing to leave.

Also, considering this officer was hired by the department to train in avoiding racial profiling, you would think he would be good at it. I kinda doubt that an officer with that kind of training would lie in that situation... Of course, I'm a little biased in this, because I think most professors are pretty damn useless, so...

Just a little bias. That would be like someone saying "I'd trust the word of a world-renowned scholar before I trust the word of a guy that probably never went to college."

We don't really know if it's racial profiling, but it's disingenuous to attack Obama and others for taking the side of Gates while you're willing to take the officer's account as Gospel.

Oddly enough, the article also says that he was the officer who administered CPR on Reggie Lewis when he died back in 1993...

If you think being racist has anything to do with the willingness to give a black person CPR, then it's clear there has to be more education on what 'racism' is.