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    Where MANU happens! antgomez2009's Avatar
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    Well, sure, Duncan carried Robinson's end of the log as well as his own. Robinson was like a girl and needed a strong male influence like Duncan, so, it worked out well there for you fellows.

    And I take all the championships. And the last 5 have indeed been gimmes, but, like I've said ad nausem on this Board: one does not choose their compe ion.

    And yer right, Boston would've been a roadblock. That old mainline habit has started to fester in the psyche of our rank & file once again. It's in the background, lurking, searching for a foothold. Bryant ain't no Magic so the chances of it succeeding in finding that foothold is strong. But, KG is no Bird, nor McHale, nor any of the old Boston guard. KG has his own demons, his own doubts, so perhaps this time around we won't have to be tortured as we were in the decades and years leading up to '85 and can once again slay that diseased simian before he attaches himself to the Lakers collective back.

    With love.

    - Culburn

    P.S., you guys really do need to go back-to-back before I can take you up on the dais with us and the Celtics. I ain't ESPN and I ain't grantin' ya a by-your-leave.






    True True, But in a generation of basketball that just completely Switched after the 2003 year Lebron, Wade, Melo, Durant, Howard) its hard to win back to backs!

    and the Lakers will see if that is true or not in this upcoming year!
    I always respected the Lakers, as a Franchise and what they have done!

    But the Spurs use bits and bits to build and build! LA compared to San Antonio as a city is like comparing Dollar bills To some spare change, The Market is not big at all! and Luring in a big time name is tough So they use their minds and do trades and look for potential to grow! Thats why i love my Spurs! and will go down with them with the Worst of times! but will rise when its time!!!

    Sincerely,
    --From your # 1 respected Fan!


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    This is the West, sir. When the legend becomes fact, print the legend sandman's Avatar
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    Well, frankly, gomez, you fellows have never really been bonafide. The first one was a strike one (I ain't begrudgin') then the other three were scattered over the landscape in sequence like you were afraid of success.

    I don't wish to hurt yer feelings, son, especially of a Friday morning, but, you guys are a little puny in our shadow.
    # of les in last 10 years:

    Spurs - 4
    Lakers - 4

    # of les in last 20 years:

    Spurs - 4
    Lakers - 4

    # of les in last 30 years:

    Spurs - 4
    Lakers - 9

    Not sure where that shadow is, considering that you have to go back 30 years to create a level of separation.

    Considering that it took 6 years to win 3 les in the early part of the 80's (Spurs won 3 les in 5 years this decade), the '87-'88 and '00-'02 repeats are the only time that the Los Angeles Lakers have ever successfully defended any of their les.

    , before Showtime started in 1980, the Lakers organization went over 25 years with only one le. Then over 10 years between Showtime and the 3peat. Then 6 years before this last one.

    Your "scattered all over the landscape" comment seems rather hypocritical.

    Not diminishing the 'scoreboard' aspect of the Lakers having 5 more les than the Spurs during the same time both teams have been in the NBA. Just showing that this 'shadow' you speak of is not looming as large as you think it is.

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    Id say Odom's choice is the X-Factor for this entire season. If he stays, I think the only team that has a real shot is Boston.

    And if he was going to bolt for Miami, he would have done it by now.

  4. #29
    This is the West, sir. When the legend becomes fact, print the legend sandman's Avatar
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    P.S., you guys really do need to go back-to-back before I can take you up on the dais with us and the Celtics. I ain't ESPN and I ain't grantin' ya a by-your-leave.
    Number of times the Los Angeles Lakers have successfully defended their le: 3 out of 10

    Number of times the Boston Celtics have successfully defended their le outside of the 8 straight les ending in 1966: 1 out of 8

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    # of les in last 10 years:

    Spurs - 4
    Lakers - 4

    # of les in last 20 years:

    Spurs - 4
    Lakers - 4

    # of les in last 30 years:

    Spurs - 4
    Lakers - 9

    Not sure where that shadow is, considering that you have to go back 30 years to create a level of separation.

    Considering that it took 6 years to win 3 les in the early part of the 80's (Spurs won 3 les in 5 years this decade), the '87-'88 and '00-'02 repeats are the only time that the Los Angeles Lakers have ever successfully defended any of their les.

    , before Showtime started in 1980, the Lakers organization went over 25 years with only one le. Then over 10 years between Showtime and the 3peat. Then 6 years before this last one.

    Your "scattered all over the landscape" comment seems rather hypocritical.

    Not diminishing the 'scoreboard' aspect of the Lakers having 5 more les than the Spurs during the same time both teams have been in the NBA. Just showing that this 'shadow' you speak of is not looming as large as you think it is.
    You never went back-to-back and that is your bug-a-boo + the strike one which some people (primarily Suns fandom) have applied a Taint to. I don't aspire to that Taint, but, the Taint has been lodged nonetheless, ipso facto, Culburn (as Site Ramrod) must cite it.

    We have went back-to-back, and we trio'ed. We have the two premium rings '85 & '87. You have the '05 premium one, but, that is even a bit soiled because you:

    a. built that room for the vanquished Pistons to go into.
    b. the vanquished Pistons went into it.

    Perhaps I was a smidge overzealous on the size of the shadow. I'll take it down a size or two, upon reflection, but, as a charter shadow it much stand fast in the ranks.

    Go back-to-back and Cubby (as Site Ramrod) will reconsider your pe ion for relief.

    Signed,

    - Culburn (Site Ramrod)

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    This is the West, sir. When the legend becomes fact, print the legend sandman's Avatar
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    You never went back-to-back and that is your bug-a-boo + the strike one which some people (primarily Suns fandom) have applied a Taint to. I don't aspire to that Taint, but, the Taint has been lodged nonetheless, ipso facto, Culburn (as Site Ramrod) must cite it.

    We have went back-to-back, and we trio'ed. We have the two premium rings '85 & '87. You have the '05 premium one, but, that is even a bit soiled because you:

    a. built that room for the vanquished Pistons to go into.
    b. the vanquished Pistons went into it.

    Perhaps I was a smidge overzealous on the size of the shadow. I'll take it down a size or two, upon reflection, but, as a charter shadow it much stand fast in the ranks.

    Go back-to-back and Cubby (as Site Ramrod) will reconsider your pe ion for relief.

    Signed,

    - Culburn (Site Ramrod)
    You place yourself on level with Rocket fan with all the back-to-back validation smack.

    Considering that the two franchises with the most les in NBA history have only done it 4 times in the last 40 years, I would say the back-to-back is not the best litmus test for greatness.

    The Bulls successfully defended 4 times all by themselves, so they have scoreboard over both the Lakers and Celtics.

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    Number of times the Los Angeles Lakers have successfully defended their le: 3 out of 10

    Number of times the Boston Celtics have successfully defended their le outside of the 8 straight les ending in 1966: 1 out of 8
    And the attendant Big Sombrero for the Spurs in defending their le.

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    Odumb makes you stacked? Wow....

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    I would say the back-to-back is not the best litmus test for greatness.
    That's only because yer bereft of personal knowledge. Yer innately ignorant.

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    Ina world of hype, we win IronMexican's Avatar
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    You guys factor in from the 60's till the 2009 like it matters. All that matters is 2009-2010. If the Lakers re-up Odom, I feel they are the favorites and most talented team.

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    This is the West, sir. When the legend becomes fact, print the legend sandman's Avatar
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    In the last 40 years, there have been a total of only 9 successful le defenses.

    So here is the debate: Is the fact that is occurs less than 25% of the time an indication that the teams who are able to accomplish it are superior to others who cannot (see: Houston Rockets), or that the parity of the league in the modern era simply won't allow it to happen consistently (see: Lakers/Celtics in the 80's).

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    This is the West, sir. When the legend becomes fact, print the legend sandman's Avatar
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    That's only because yer bereft of personal knowledge. Yer innately ignorant.
    Ah, so I can place you on par with Rocket Fan who believes that because his team went back-to-back for the only two years his team was relevant in the league, they are one of the greatest champions the league has ever known.

    Again, I am not saying that repeating is not a great accomplishment, but even your vaunted Showtime Lakers could only do it once.

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    Ah, so I can place you on par with Rocket Fan who believes that because his team went back-to-back for the only two years his team was relevant in the league, they are one of the greatest champions the league has ever known.

    Again, I am not saying that repeating is not a great accomplishment, but even your vaunted Showtime Lakers could only do it once.
    Sure, that Rockets team was one of the "greatest champions the league has ever known." Indeed.

    And we were fortunate to do it once. And honestly, we only did it once then because Thomas sprained his ankle. But, the front side was a Prime Ring so one can count that duo after a fashion. But, speaking of it (the Thomas ankle) out loud like this does take a bit of the shine off it. Though, Media had no problem shinin' the Piston duo in the backwash of Magic & Scott's blown hammies. But, that is their shame, not mine.

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    This is the West, sir. When the legend becomes fact, print the legend sandman's Avatar
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    Sure, that Rockets team was one of the "greatest champions the league has ever known." Indeed.

    And we were fortunate to do it once. And honestly, we only did it once then because Thomas sprained his ankle. But, the front side was a Prime Ring so one can count that duo after a fashion. But, speaking of it (the Thomas ankle) out loud like this does take a bit of the shine off it. Though, Media had no problem shinin' the Piston duo in the backwash of Magic & Scott's blown hammies. But, that is their shame, not mine.
    I am an analyst by trade, so I tend to look deeply into the numbers.

    No effort was intended on my part to denigrate les won by any team.

    I'm just not a supporter of the argument that only back-to-back = greatness, or that les won when white boys in short shorts ruled the league should be used in scoreboard debates.

    I think that both Laker Fan and Spurs Fan have an argument that based on the relative last 10 years, their teams have been the best in the league.

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    I am an analyst by trade, so I tend to look deeply into the numbers.

    No effort was intended on my part to denigrate les won by any team.

    I'm just not a supporter of the argument that only back-to-back = greatness, or that les won when white boys in short shorts ruled the league should be used in scoreboard debates.

    I think that both Laker Fan and Spurs Fan have an argument that based on the relative last 10 years, their teams have been the best in the league.
    Then look deeply into those numbers in '95 when Houston left Texas down 3-1 headed for Phoenix. That year was the back end of their back-to-back and they never blinked nor wavered. They just went on to the end.

    Your Spurs have not accomplished the duo, but, they have indeed been a prime en y with the Lakers the past 10 years. No argument there. You struck a direct hit with Manu and you've rode him as he should have been rode---to an absolute T. That is a thing of beauty to behold no matter a person's allegiance. A prime Manu? I'd trade any prime commodity on my Lakers save Bryant for him. Manu is that accomplished. He understands the American game and possesses a mental state that is extraordinary for a foreign born player. He is a winner.

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    Hollinger is covering his ass---Odom must be coming home to Pappy.

    Updated: July 24, 2009, 1:05 PM ET
    Would Boozer and Odom help Heat?

    Despite having no cap space, pushing up against the luxury tax and seemingly wanting to save most of their dough for next summer's free-agent run, the Miami Heat, against all odds, have become one of the offseason's most interesting teams.


    Two players in particular have been linked to the Heat: Utah's Carlos Boozer and the Lakers' Lamar Odom. It's possible the Heat could add both of them, if they can use their full midlevel exception to get Odom and then trade some of their expiring contracts for Boozer.
    It's also possible they could get neither of them, but what's the fun in that? This is the offseason. Let's dare to dream.
    The question then becomes how much better Boozer and/or Odom would make the Heat.
    Our initial instinct is to think getting one or both would help quite a bit. The Heat are basically just Dwyane Wade and a bunch of filler, right? Adding another star would theoretically move them several notches up the ladder. Adding two? That could put them in the East's upper crust.
    Subject those assumptions to some deeper scrutiny, however, and the conclusion is a little different.
    An incoming player affects a team by replacing another player. In Miami's case, the two weakest starting positions this past season were small forward and point guard. So, upgrades at those two positions would generate the greatest impact, because the Heat would be replacing weak players with strong ones.
    Conversely, upgrading the frontcourt wouldn't help as much, because the Heat already were pretty decent there. And they project to be a lot better this coming season, at power forward in particular.
    This past season, as a rookie, Michael Beasley averaged 22.4 points per 40 minutes. He played only 24 minutes a game, which limited his per-game averages, but he put up a solid 17.28 player efficiency rating in his first pro season.
    That's exactly the same PER Boozer recorded. And since neither of these guys will be on the court for his defense, measuring their statistical impact is an appropriate way to compare them.
    When we do that using this past season's numbers, we find that upgrading from Beasley to Boozer has no impact whatsoever. None. Zero. One might argue that Boozer likely would play better this coming season given his previous stats; I would answer that Beasley, who will start the season at just 20 years old, is highly likely to improve on his Year 1 numbers. Additionally, he's far more likely than Boozer to participate in most or all of the 82-game schedule.
    As for Odom, he probably could make a bigger impact on D than Beasley, but his 16.60 PER in 2008-09 was worse than Beasley's, and since he turns 30 later this year, and has been between 16.20 and 17.31 each of the past five seasons, he doesn't figure to improve any in 2009-10.
    So we reach the same conclusion: Importing Odom doesn't project to be an upgrade on Beasley. Importing either Boozer or Odom might help the depth situation, but it wouldn't improve the starting five, so it's tough for such a move to have more than a minor effect on the Heat's projected win-loss record.
    Similarly, if Miami got Boozer and Odom together, there'd be little gained by the second acquisition, unless Odom moved to small forward. Admittedly, there's a glaring hole at the position, but Odom would lose much of his effectiveness by moving out to the 3 -- at this point in his career, with the way the league has gone and with his shaky long-range shooting, he basically is a pure 4.
    Finally, one has to remember that trading for Boozer wouldn't be free. We don't know exactly what the Heat would give up, but it would be something, and it might weaken them enough at the other positions that it would end up being of no benefit at all. For one example, this trade I concocted gets them Boozer yet makes them a game worse, based on the model I developed.
    Despite all this, there is one way the Heat could add Boozer and Odom, and still improve substantially. That would be if they traded Beasley, too. If Miami could parlay its young forward into an upgrade on the perimeter that provided Wade some quality help, that would change the picture for Miami in a much larger way.
    For another example, I created this trade that's exactly like the first one, except in addition to the Boozer deal, it sends Beasley to Boston for Rajon Rondo. This is a completely hypothetical example. (Let me emphasize: This is a fictional trade concocted to demonstrate a concept.) This shows how much greater the impact would be if the Heat were to add a quality player at point guard instead of at power forward -- in this example, such a trade added seven wins to the Heat's bottom line.
    In other words, a move for Boozer and Odom could help the Heat, but not in isolation. Adding a power forward would be redundant with the talent that already exists -- talent that, ironically, represents Miami's best chance to get better with the current roster.
    So if the Heat aren't willing to trade Beasley or can't trade him to get back a high-quality player on the perimeter, it seems futile for them to expect a big boost from Odom and/or Boozer. Acquiring one or even both of them would change the Heat's outlook much less than one might think.
    John Hollinger writes for ESPN Insider. To e-mail him, click here.

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    this is a old and tired story. just sign already you gummy bear eating diva and lets get the season going.

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    I'm The Future GOAT carrao45's Avatar
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    Who gives a if they resign him? Manu > Odom. Tim and Tony > Gasol and Kobe.
    If you think Tim and Tony>Gasol and Kobe, then you are stupid.

    Duncan is at the moment better than Gasol, but not by a lot. Kobe is a lot better than TP. KB24&Gasol>TD21&TP9

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    So Since the Lakers Won a championship after like a six year absence, the Lakers fans feel that have the edge over the Spurs in all categories! No excuse for the Lakers for a 6 year absence, no excuse for the SPurs for a Injury plagued season! Kobe with 4, Tim with 4.....

    Both different players, but Tim owns the PF spot, Kobe still has to beat out Mj, which i doubt!

    Aside from all this BS from both the Laker fans and yes my Spurs Fans, this UPCOMING Season and Playoffs will be "IMO" the best ever!

    If the Lakers feel that the Trevor Ariza loss will not effect them, they are crazy! Without his steal against Denver, that Series turns in favor to Denver, Artest cant cut the defensive lanes like Trevor did! Ariza in my mind was their biggest X-factor, Young, fast, pretty dam good defensive player and determined!

    The Lakers stayed the same, even if they sign Odom! Adam Morrison is your Trevor Ariza this year...lol...G.T.F.O.H.

    As for the Spurs, they only got better!!!

    Now i feel they have the players to compete at a high level!

    Starting 5

    Derek Fisher <<<Tony Parker

    Kobe >>>>Roger Mason

    R. Artest ==== Richard J

    Tim Duncan >>>>Gasol

    Bynum === Antonio. M (both 10 and 10 guys)


    Bench + 1 for the Spurs

    Lakers Bench =

    Lamar Odom (pending) (good all around player, Match up problems because his size)
    Sasaha whotheHeck (good 3pt shooter, poor mans bruce bowen D--shoot fly dont bother me)
    Shanon B. (good reserve)
    Adam Morrison (Best cheerleader)
    J. Farmar (good pg, not consistent)
    Luke Walton (getting better every year, still inconsistent)
    Spurs
    Manu G. (Dynamic Player, 6th player of the year)
    Dejuan B. (awsome rebounding, Offensive Reb. + 1)
    George Hill (good pg, good defensive because of length, inconsistent)
    Theo Ratliff (block shots, kinda washed up, but good for 3rd possibly 2nd backup)
    Finley (still a vet that can get it done without heavy mins.)
    Bonner (starting C last year, not this year, good for spreading the floor!)
    Malik Hairston (up and coming D-league player! can run the floor and hit shots! still needs a chance to prove himself)
    No, you forget that the Lakers were aready winning in both of the games when Trevor made those steals. So Chances are high that they would have won them anyway.

    Trevor did make some great plays though


    And Mcdyess is not a 10/10 guy. Bynum is better, and anyone who says otherwise hasn't seen a healthy Bynum play.

    And counting Blair and seying he will be a +1 (whatever that is) is ludicrous because he has never even played a game in the NBA

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    Hollinger is covering his ass---Odom must be coming home to Pappy.

    Updated: July 24, 2009, 1:05 PM ET
    Would Boozer and Odom help Heat?

    Despite having no cap space, pushing up against the luxury tax and seemingly wanting to save most of their dough for next summer's free-agent run, the Miami Heat, against all odds, have become one of the offseason's most interesting teams.


    Two players in particular have been linked to the Heat: Utah's Carlos Boozer and the Lakers' Lamar Odom. It's possible the Heat could add both of them, if they can use their full midlevel exception to get Odom and then trade some of their expiring contracts for Boozer.
    It's also possible they could get neither of them, but what's the fun in that? This is the offseason. Let's dare to dream.
    The question then becomes how much better Boozer and/or Odom would make the Heat.
    Our initial instinct is to think getting one or both would help quite a bit. The Heat are basically just Dwyane Wade and a bunch of filler, right? Adding another star would theoretically move them several notches up the ladder. Adding two? That could put them in the East's upper crust.
    Subject those assumptions to some deeper scrutiny, however, and the conclusion is a little different.
    An incoming player affects a team by replacing another player. In Miami's case, the two weakest starting positions this past season were small forward and point guard. So, upgrades at those two positions would generate the greatest impact, because the Heat would be replacing weak players with strong ones.
    Conversely, upgrading the frontcourt wouldn't help as much, because the Heat already were pretty decent there. And they project to be a lot better this coming season, at power forward in particular.
    This past season, as a rookie, Michael Beasley averaged 22.4 points per 40 minutes. He played only 24 minutes a game, which limited his per-game averages, but he put up a solid 17.28 player efficiency rating in his first pro season.
    That's exactly the same PER Boozer recorded. And since neither of these guys will be on the court for his defense, measuring their statistical impact is an appropriate way to compare them.
    When we do that using this past season's numbers, we find that upgrading from Beasley to Boozer has no impact whatsoever. None. Zero. One might argue that Boozer likely would play better this coming season given his previous stats; I would answer that Beasley, who will start the season at just 20 years old, is highly likely to improve on his Year 1 numbers. Additionally, he's far more likely than Boozer to participate in most or all of the 82-game schedule.
    As for Odom, he probably could make a bigger impact on D than Beasley, but his 16.60 PER in 2008-09 was worse than Beasley's, and since he turns 30 later this year, and has been between 16.20 and 17.31 each of the past five seasons, he doesn't figure to improve any in 2009-10.
    So we reach the same conclusion: Importing Odom doesn't project to be an upgrade on Beasley. Importing either Boozer or Odom might help the depth situation, but it wouldn't improve the starting five, so it's tough for such a move to have more than a minor effect on the Heat's projected win-loss record.
    Similarly, if Miami got Boozer and Odom together, there'd be little gained by the second acquisition, unless Odom moved to small forward. Admittedly, there's a glaring hole at the position, but Odom would lose much of his effectiveness by moving out to the 3 -- at this point in his career, with the way the league has gone and with his shaky long-range shooting, he basically is a pure 4.
    Finally, one has to remember that trading for Boozer wouldn't be free. We don't know exactly what the Heat would give up, but it would be something, and it might weaken them enough at the other positions that it would end up being of no benefit at all. For one example, this trade I concocted gets them Boozer yet makes them a game worse, based on the model I developed.
    Despite all this, there is one way the Heat could add Boozer and Odom, and still improve substantially. That would be if they traded Beasley, too. If Miami could parlay its young forward into an upgrade on the perimeter that provided Wade some quality help, that would change the picture for Miami in a much larger way.
    For another example, I created this trade that's exactly like the first one, except in addition to the Boozer deal, it sends Beasley to Boston for Rajon Rondo. This is a completely hypothetical example. (Let me emphasize: This is a fictional trade concocted to demonstrate a concept.) This shows how much greater the impact would be if the Heat were to add a quality player at point guard instead of at power forward -- in this example, such a trade added seven wins to the Heat's bottom line.
    In other words, a move for Boozer and Odom could help the Heat, but not in isolation. Adding a power forward would be redundant with the talent that already exists -- talent that, ironically, represents Miami's best chance to get better with the current roster.
    So if the Heat aren't willing to trade Beasley or can't trade him to get back a high-quality player on the perimeter, it seems futile for them to expect a big boost from Odom and/or Boozer. Acquiring one or even both of them would change the Heat's outlook much less than one might think.
    John Hollinger writes for ESPN Insider. To e-mail him, click here.
    Nice formatting, bro.

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    Puny in whos shadow, Kobe's! or The Lakers as a Fanchise! Cmon hollyWood!!!, we all know that The Lakers them selves are a Shadow of Kobe Bryant!

    Oh and i know you'll take those 3 les with Shaq at the Helm and kobe as a Sidekick!

    Tim Duncan has brought les to the best of them! that Deserved it and retired soon after! so that makes the team, looking for new guys after there championship run, Hence taking them a year to get into things!

    David Robinson
    Avery Johnson
    Danny Ferry
    Kevin Willis
    Sean E.
    Steve Smith
    Malik Rose
    list still goes on!


    I see Kobe needed much help with young and the restless!
    Could he have won a championship with Kevin willis as a backup! Probably not!

    Remember, Tim Ducan Helped THEM! feel what its like to win a championshp!!! after so many years of faliure!

    Shaq and Kobe failed to do that for Payton and Malone!

    Payton did get one in Miami! With SHAq might i add!

    So all in all, it took six years for your Team the Lakers to Reload! and win a championship to a unexperienced team (but good, Orlando)

    Would of lost to boston(KG was healthy) and Clevland! had they made it!
    Six years to go from lottery to champion is really good.

    And LA would have had HCA against Boston, and would have had a MUCH better chance of beating them in 09.

    Cleveland would have gotten curbstomped by LA and everyone with a brain knows it. Just watch the Regular Season games. LA was mismatch problems for Cleveland. If the Cavs had made it Lakers would have won in 6

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    Na, if you know basketball! its all about Match Ups....

    Clevland and Boston (Healthy) are built to take on the Lakers! A sweep, Cmon man!

    Get your BB IQ up!
    Dude the Lakers are mismatch problems for Cleveland. Get your BB IQ up assface.

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    Six years to go from lottery to champion is really good.
    Try two years.

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    True True, But in a generation of basketball that just completely Switched after the 2003 year Lebron, Wade, Melo, Durant, Howard) its hard to win back to backs!

    and the Lakers will see if that is true or not in this upcoming year!
    I always respected the Lakers, as a Franchise and what they have done!

    But the Spurs use bits and bits to build and build! LA compared to San Antonio as a city is like comparing Dollar bills To some spare change, The Market is not big at all! and Luring in a big time name is tough So they use their minds and do trades and look for potential to grow! Thats why i love my Spurs! and will go down with them with the Worst of times! but will rise when its time!!!

    Sincerely,
    --From your # 1 respected Fan!

    It's always been hard to win Back-to-Backs! And LeBon and Melo havent had good teams till now.

    The Spurs have failed to make the Finals 2 straight seasons since Duncan came, Don't blame that on Melo LeBron and Co.

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    # of les in last 10 years:

    Spurs - 4
    Lakers - 4

    # of les in last 20 years:

    Spurs - 4
    Lakers - 4

    # of les in last 30 years:

    Spurs - 4
    Lakers - 9

    Not sure where that shadow is, considering that you have to go back 30 years to create a level of separation.

    Considering that it took 6 years to win 3 les in the early part of the 80's (Spurs won 3 les in 5 years this decade), the '87-'88 and '00-'02 repeats are the only time that the Los Angeles Lakers have ever successfully defended any of their les.

    , before Showtime started in 1980, the Lakers organization went over 25 years with only one le. Then over 10 years between Showtime and the 3peat. Then 6 years before this last one.

    Your "scattered all over the landscape" comment seems rather hypocritical.

    Not diminishing the 'scoreboard' aspect of the Lakers having 5 more les than the Spurs during the same time both teams have been in the NBA. Just showing that this 'shadow' you speak of is not looming as large as you think it is.
    Don't talk about LA failing to repeat. SA has never even gotten to the finals the season after a le.


    And the Lakers have been contenders for les in every decade since the NBA started

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