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    Andre Miller has agreed to terms with the Portland Trail Blazers, agent Andy Miller has confirmed to the Daily News.

    The deal is believed to be for two or three years with a starting salary higher than the mid-level exception of $5.8 million. Portland had $9 million in salary cap space meaning the Blazers did not have to do a sign-and-trade with the Sixers.

    The Blazers turned their attention to Miller when they could not finalize a deal with David Lee of the New York Knicks. Negotiations with Miller picked up speed in the last 24 to 48 hours.

    “I think this is a good deal,” Andy Miller said. “I think it is a great deal for the marketplace.”

    http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/s..._Portland.html

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    If motivated that will be a nice addition and give them some size (Miller/Roy) in the back court. It was their biggest need in my opinion (with more rebounding upfront as a close second) and Miller fits very well.
    Last edited by DPG21920; 07-24-2009 at 02:48 PM.

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    Andre Miller is a very underrated player these days. I'm definitely a fan of the signing depending on the cash spent.

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    Very good signing for Portland.

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    Blazers are going to be really good next year.

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    Instant improvement on paper, but on the court? Yes and No.

    Andre Miller is going to take the ball out of Roy's hands more in half court sets a lot more than Blake ever did. Roy dominates the ball and creates off the dribble to score more than anything. Miller isn't complimentary to the way Roy plays because of Miller's poor shooting ability whenever Roy creates.

    Although whenever Roy needs a play off, or is on the bench due to foul trouble or rest, that's where Miller will become an instant improvement being able to create off screen and roll opportunities and off the dribble.

    Overall I like the signing, but it may be overrated due to Roy needing the ball and having Andre Miller take it out of his hands.

    If I'm the opposition I'm all for Andre Miller taking away opportunities from Brandon Roy.

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    I was wondering why Portland did not look here first? I know signing a vet at the SF position could have allowed them to move some players they have, but they have talent there. They were lacking talent at the PG position and Miller was the best on the market they could get, and for a reasonable price.

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    Turkoglu or Millsap to Miller is a pretty big fall. And I don't think it's a good fit. The Blazers have been a very slow paced team under McMillan. If Miller doesn't play at a fast pace, his lack of shooting becomes apparent -- as does his below average, slow defense. He has also struggled at times playing with talented bigmen because he needs space in the paint to get his shot off.

    The Blazers should ahve held onto their cap room to find a game-changer. Miller doesn't make them that much better at all.

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    Certainly a better defender than this guy:



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    Turkoglu or Millsap to Miller is a pretty big fall. And I don't think it's a good fit. The Blazers have been a very slow paced team under McMillan. If Miller doesn't play at a fast pace, his lack of shooting becomes apparent -- as does his below average, slow defense. He has also struggled at times playing with talented bigmen because he needs space in the paint to get his shot off.

    The Blazers should ahve held onto their cap room to find a game-changer. Miller doesn't make them that much better at all.
    I agree. This is an instant improvement on paper, but on the court not so much.

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    Timvp, don't you agree that the Blazers needed a PG though? If so, who could they have gotten that is better than Miller or who would give up a "game changer" point guard?

    Unless you think that Blake = Miller for the Blazers system/style. The Lakers are one of the few teams I have ever seen win recently with a very average point guard, but theirs had experience and is clutch. The Lakers also had the deepest front court which made up for it, the Blazers do not.

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    Timvp, don't you agree that the Blazers needed a PG though? If so, who could they have gotten that is better than Miller or who would give up a "game changer" point guard?

    Unless you think that Blake = Miller for the Blazers system/style. The Lakers are one of the few teams I have ever seen win recently with a very average point guard, but theirs had experience and is clutch. The Lakers also had the deepest front court which made up for it, the Blazers do not.
    Adding Miller a guard who can't shoot? To a team who has Brandon Roy ( a dominant ball handler in his own right) - in other words - Brandon Roy was the team's creator off screen and rolls and was the main penetrator ( creator off the dribble) not Blake.

    Miller doesn't fit with the way Roy plays and Roy is their franchise.

    Miller is best when he has the ball in his hands. He won't nearly as much with Roy there.

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    Great move by Portland.

    They finally did a offseason move. Miller is a big upgrade over Blake. Blake will be good coming off the bench and provide scoring. Miller is 34 years old so they will need to make a playoff push this year.

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    Timvp, don't you agree that the Blazers needed a PG though?
    They could use a better point guard but Miller isn't so much better than Blake that he's worth blowing the cap space. Especially if you consider that Roy has really been their point guard in halfcourt settings and in clutch situations. Miller off the ball is pretty much useless. At least Blake has range.

    In a vacuum, Miller >>> Blake. On the Blazers, Miller just isn't a very good fit. He's still better than Blake but not by that much.

    Hes an upgrade over Blake, and with all that youth, and outside shooting, they should be running.
    As long as McMillan is the coach, the Blazers will walk the ball up the court. His teams have all been slow paced. Fitting Miller into a slow pace with bigs taking up space inside is a bad fit.

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    Adding Miller a guard who can't shoot? To a team who has Brandon Roy ( a dominant ball handler in his own right) - in other words - Brandon Roy was the team's creator off screen and rolls and was the main penetrator ( creator off the dribble) not Blake.

    Miller doesn't fit with the way Roy plays and Roy is their franchise.

    Miller is best when he has the ball in his hands. He won't nearly as much with Roy there.
    Saying he can't shoot is false. Is he the best scorer, no. Can he play, yes.

    He is a significant upgrade over Blake. I think it will be Roy as the player with the ball out of his hands now, not Miller. I think it is a good idea to play Roy as a true SG and not a PG. I think Miller fits nicely with Roy and they can pick up the pace of their game now they have a better point guard. They have more options.

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    Agree with all above. Andre Miller saves Pritchard face, but he doesn't scream 'missing piece' to me. I'd stick with Blake if I were them, or unfist one of those young wings and trade for a player.

    They'd do as well to have gotten Jarrett Jack back.

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    Saying he can't shoot is false. Is he the best scorer, no. Can he play, yes.

    He is a significant upgrade over Blake. I think it will be Roy as the player with the ball out of his hands now, not Miller. I think it is a good idea to play Roy as a true SG and not a PG. I think Miller fits nicely with Roy and they can pick up the pace of their game now they have a better point guard. They have more options.
    Miller has no range. It will be exposed. Roy is their point guard and needs the ball in his hands. Over-rated move. IMO

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    Depending on the contract (if it is 7M or so per year) they can trade Miller and bring back something decent as well. Yes, Hedo/Millsap are better options overall, but the same logic with Miller you can use for Hedo. Hedo was a guy with the ball in his hands, how would he fit with Roy? Hedo had the ball in the clutch and if Roy is your franchise, why would you bring in a player that needs the ball in his hands?

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    Miller has no range. It will be exposed. Roy is their point guard and needs the ball in his hands. Over-rated move. IMO
    I think about it like Ginobili. Roy should be playing the Ginobili role, not the PG role all the time imo. Taking the ball out of Roy's hands and letting him be a true SG is a good thing I think.

    You are correct saying Miller does not have range, but he does not shoot a lot of 3's. He is a pg that when he does score, it is primarily at the rim.

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    Hedo was a guy with the ball in his hands, how would he fit with Roy? Hedo had the ball in the clutch and if Roy is your franchise, why would you bring in a player that needs the ball in his hands?

    Hedo can shoot from anywhere on the court. Miller can't shoot outside 17 feet. Huge difference.

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    Hedo was a guy with the ball in his hands, how would he fit with Roy? Hedo had the ball in the clutch and if Roy is your franchise, why would you bring in a player that needs the ball in his hands?
    Hedo and Miller are totally different players and fits. Hedo can make plays but he can also shoot the ball, play multiple positions, play good defense, thrive with or without the ball ... plus he's younger and not being signed during an upcoming decline in play.

    You take the ball out of Miller's hands and he's a below average player. Hedo without the ball is still a threat and can help a team elsewhere.

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    Hedo can shoot from anywhere on the court. Miller can't shoot outside 17 feet. Huge difference.
    Point is, it seems that Portland was looking for guys that could handle the ball so they could take it out of Roy's hands and let him play his true position. Hedo is not doubt better than Miller, but that was not the main point.

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    Taking the ball out of Roy's hands and letting him be a true SG is a good thing I think.
    A good thing for other teams. Roy in the pick-and-roll is deadly. The Spurs still haven't figured out how to guard the Roy/Aldridge pick-and-rolls.

    I really hope they listen to your advice and move him off the ball. Give it to Miller as much as possible. Good ideas.

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    Hedo and Miller are totally different players and fits. Hedo can make plays but he can also shoot the ball, play multiple positions, play good defense, thrive with or without the ball ... plus he's younger and not being signed during an upcoming decline in play.

    You take the ball out of Miller's hands and he's a below average player. Hedo without the ball is still a threat and can help a team elsewhere.
    True, but you are not paying Hedo that much money to take the ball out of his hands. He is still ok without the ball, but he is much more effective with it imo.

    It was a little risky signing Miller, especially because his lack luster effort at times, but I think it accomplished their goal of finding a player/ball handler that can allow Roy to be a true SG and not have to initiate everything. Miller is much better at initiating an offense and getting to the rim than Blake. He is not a 3 point shooter, but he finishes around the basket at a very good clip.

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