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What debate. Spurs fans know this and we discuss it all of the time.
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As much as this team lives in the past, the one thing that has been blatantly disregarded by the majority of Spurs fans, is that this team is no longer a top 3 defensive ball club in the nba. The upper echelon of the nba has leapfrogged the Spurs in terms of Team D and physicality on D. The Celtics, Cavs, and Lakers have far better potential on defense than the current version of the Spurs do, and this was never the case during the Spurs championship runs. Let the debate begin.
What debate. Spurs fans know this and we discuss it all of the time.
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You obviously weren't around during the regular season and didn't see a single game recap.
Fukk you in the a-hole you got prick! I outta stick my 14 inch grinder down your throat!
I like the Mcdyess signing, not a fan of the jefferson one though.
Lakers were 6th in Defensive Efficiency per 100 possessions last year, what were the Spurs?
Spurs sucked on defense last year by Spurs (and Spurs fans) standards, yet were still #9 in FG% allowed. We added a lot of defensive pieces this summer.
Rebounders in Blair and McDyess, shotblocker in Ratliff and Mahinmi (and McDyess, somewhat)
Better perimeter defender in Jefferson (and still possibly of getting Bowen back)
Lakers were only #6, so not sure where you get off including them in the Top 3? The top 3 were Cleveland, Boston, and Orlando.
The Lakers have the potential to improve on #6 with Ron Artest, but I can also see the Spurs back in the Top 5 again this year.
2010 Spurs>>>>>>>>>>2009 Spurs
Notice how I said Lakers had the potential to be Top #3. But with Phil Jackson at the helm this will never come to fruition sadly. He preaches a defense that is based on overloading the strong side entirely and begging you to beat him with the long ball. Because the Lakers are #1 in offensive efficiency, this bizzaro scheme has a chance to work against about 80% of the teams in the NBA on any given night.
Way to bring an original and timely argument.
We'll let me know what you think Pop's defensive schemes will be to get back in the upper echelon again. The NBA has evolved and all of the top defensive ball clubs use some type of 2-3 or 3-2 zone scheme, and I don't think I see the Spurs use this much.
Scheme won't change, just who is guarding the best perimeter player will change. Pop already said that will be Jefferson. So instead of Finley doing it, Jefferson will and he is a pretty damn good defender even though he lost some of his lateral quickness.
Then you have McDyess guarding the same guys Bonner would. The scheme and system remains the same.
Potential? they were top 3 last season The Lakers were a top 2 defense in the playoffs That's all that matters. Regular season team defense numbers are not really telling when you factor in the amount of blowouts LA had and the nights when Jekyl Lakers showed up.
http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/holli...26league%3dnba
Actually they were better than Cleveland in the playoffs after you factor in how well the Lakers handled Dwight in comparison.
I'm telling you that the old Spurs defensive system and schemes are outdated, and that the NBA has evolved away from traditional man to man defenses into a zone defense.
It's not about the schemes. It's about Duncan being not even close to the player he was. Finley lol. And a grandpa Bowen.
The Spurs are done. With or without boy and Mcdyss.
I never had a problem admitting the Spurs defense wasn't that good. I saw it at the beginning of last year.
Don't be so quick to judge what REAL Spurs fans are like. REAL Spurs fans know their team. The people you spoke too were probably bandwagoners and not diehards like alot of posters here.
This was openly discussed countless times this past season but you joined last month yet calling us out wtf?
It is amazing that every time a thread is started about the Spurs, a butt hurt Laker "fan" posting on a Spurs board resorts to trash talking.
I have just read alot of comments insulting other team's defensive abilities on this board, and felt that it was necessary to bring this topic up for debate.
Matt Bonner as your starting C is gonna bring your D down just a bit...
The point of this topic was to point out that the landscape of the NBA has changed dramtically in the last few years, and that even when the Spurs are 110% healthy, the Celtics and Cavs are still better in almost every single defensive statistic that matters than the Spurs. Lakers I can understand, that is up for debate.
LA's defense is better than Cleveland's period. Cleveland's D was better against crappy teams, LA's defense was better when it mattered most. I know stats say I'm wrong but LA would have better defensive numbers if they brought the intensity to games against bottom feeders the way Cleveland does.
Looks like only 1 person to me. You said "Fans". Not fan.
You are being judgemental and stereotyping ALL Spurs fans because of what one guy says. Change the thread le to "Something that SOME Spurs fans refuse to admit". Problem solved.
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