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yeah Bruce belongs up there. Calss and poise and great defense all game every game when he was called upon.
#12 in the Rafters in the next few years.
Yes. Bowen should have his # retired.
yeah Bruce belongs up there. Calss and poise and great defense all game every game when he was called upon.
#12 in the Rafters in the next few years.
I remember a few seasons ago we were asking the question, "will Horry get his jersey retired?" The consensus at that time seemed to be, "No, but Duncan, Ginobili, Parker and Bowen all will." Everybody seemed to be ok with that too.
You can retire Bowen's number right after you retire Mike Mitc 's.
can the hardcore or older fans tell me about james silas?!?!i wasnt old enough to have watched him play.My pops used to tell me how clutch he was, what is ne ones thoughts?!?!?
There are also other aspect of defense u know? Shot blocking, rebounding, post-defense, etc...Bowen was great at perimeter defense and everything else that comes with that (fighting through screens). Im not trying to discredit Bowen but there are aspects on defense in which he was nothing special.
No, re-read my posts...it was not because of one shot. It was first and foremost because he was the general of that first le team, he ran the show. The fact that he made the le-clinching shot and is our all-time leader in assists is even more reason. Do you have any idea how tough it is to win the first one? Ask the Jazz of the late 90s, the Kings of the early 2000s, or even the Mavs of a few yrs ago. All great teams that never won a le.And Avery Johnson deserved to have his jersey retired because of one shot?
I am also surprised that after watching more than 1300 games that you can’t see how Bowen’s single coverage of perimeter superstars allow the Spurs not to double team and let the team rotate on defense well while not getting lit up for 40 points a game.
I am aware of what Bruce brought to the table, it was great defense indeed...but I dont think that warrants his jersey retirement. He was a role player, a very vital one, but a role player nontheless. He played a big role in our les noone is denying that. But so did Rodman and Kerr for the Bulls and Fisher and Horry for the Lakers, stars need role players and its great when they step up. The role players deserve praise but ultimately what make these championships possible are the stars (MJ, Pipp, Shaq, Kobe, Duncan, Parker, Manu).I dont see why the Spurs should have such low standards for jersey retirements compared to other teams.
Shaq was the most dominant big man during that time, Dirk has always been unstoppable...what do u expect Malik to shut them down? No, he didnt because that is pretty much impossible. The best u can hope for is to make those superstars work hard which Malik did. Bowen never stopped Kobe or anyone of his caliber, cause guys like that get their points regardless of who is guarding them. Bruce simply made him work hard.And Shaq and Dirk ate him alive. Besides, Robinson was the one guarding Shaq, and Bowen was the main guy guarding Dirk. The fact that Bowen couldn’t guard Dirk and Howard at the same time meant that the Spurs match up with the Mavs poorly. Shawn Marion can D up on point guards up to PFs, but I am never going to say that he is a great defender because of that. Being versatile and good are two different things. Bowen was versatile AND great.
Just take a look at the players' whose number the Bulls have retired, I think my speculation has a lot more basis...they dont retire just any players jersey.And yours wasn’t speculation? How is it that yours is fact and mine is “simply speculation”?
No not because of one shot, I explained this earlier in the post. Your comparisons are completely idiotic.Because of one shot. Bowen also had championship winning stops on Chauncey Billups in game 5 of the 05 finals. Hey, Parker stopped Hamilton from hitting the Game 5 shot. Let’s retire Parker’s number because of that shot and not what he embodied and produced his entire career.
Let’s also retire Horry’s number as well. Hey, he had a whole solid quarter and 2 minutes in Game 5 of the 05 finals AND hit the game winning shot. Oh, sorry, I forgot, it wasn’t the first championship, so it’s worthless.
Yes they should! Bruce was vital in our championship runs. Without him I don't think we got that last 3...
Bull ! without any of these 3 we don't win.Without him I don't think we got that last 3...
ABSOLUTELY,
Many out there mention he is a one dimensional player, he mostly is, but he was a KEY player and his defensive skill and intensity put SA on the map. Just think for the last couple of years how many have said - Who will take his place? That in itself is a testimant to his impact on this team. Not to mention his outreach in our community. No offense to Avery, but if Avery get's his, you damn well know Bowen will get his also!
GO SPURS GO!
Guarded Lebron, Kobe, and every other elite scorer, making their lives harder than any other defender would
Guarded Dirk when he gave up nearly 1/2 a foot and nearly helped us pull out that series in 06.
And if you want to say that Avery's shot wins him a spot, then Bruce's block of Billups is enough alone to put him in that category.
Definitely in the rafters. All-Spurs guy, and an All-San Antonio guy. He was great for our community and I hope to they bring him back.
Wasn't part of the Spurs plans. Remember Ginobilis press conference. #20 was his 3rd choice. Do enough crying and his # will be retired.No offense to Avery, but if Avery get's his, you damn well know Bowen will get his also!
GO SPURS GO!
Even without any of these 4...
It looks like Pop is wearing sneakers with 4-inches soles on this pic. Is he really taller than Parker?
if avery did than bruce def does!
Whenever I was down on the floor real close it was always Bowen I enjoyed watching the most even over Ginobili and Duncan. The way he could shut down a guy who was hot and change a game' direction. Any of you down-playing Bowen as a great player don't know how basketball works.
Championships are won and lost every year because of having a player like Bowen who can guard the elite Kobe, Lebron type player.
Plus Bowen was a clutch shooter. He always shot over 40% 3pt in the playoffs and hit so many big dagger shots.
Many times 1st Team All Defense. Should have been DOP at least once. The only reason he didn't was that Bowen/Duncan always split the Spurs vote, so neither one ever won.
Bowen, no-brainer jersey retire. Border-line HOF'er. (in a perfect world)
Bowen a borderline HOFer? Thats ridiculous even in a perfect world.
You guys dont understand, Bowen was a ROLE PLAYER....role players will contribute no doubt and they will play a huge role in teams but ultimately the stars are what make the sucess happen. 2003 we won first and foremost because Tim put us on his back and the last two we won first and foremost because of our Big Three. Bowen was a part of the reason as well, Horry was too, as were a couple of other players. Im not saying Bowen didnt contribute, Im not saying he was irrelevant, but he is far from being the main reason we won.
Horry and Fisher contributed to the Lakers 3-peat just as much as Bowen did to our les, Rodman/Kerr/Kukoc just as much to the Bulls...guess what players jerseys those teams will retire? None. Just MJ's and Pipp's (which are already retired) and Kobe's and probably Shaq's (who knows with the rift they had though). Spurs need to retire the Big 3's and thats it. I dont hate Bowen, I appreciate what he did....give him a tribute and one to Malik as well but he just doesnt deserve to have his jersey retired.
The Spurs have set a certain standard based on the #'s they've retired. If they had only retired Gervin and DRob then it would be a different standard. Each team gets to choose how they retire #'s. If you look in basketball and baseball there is great difference in how selective teams are. Some only retire the reall all-time HOF type players, but most retire #'s of players who had long careers, won championships as one of the top 3-4 players on champion teams. Bowen meets those criteria.
Silas was Clutch. I was a kid during his time.Kinda like a Manu in that he never gave up. always trying to the end. His stats dont show much, but he was known for taking big shots.
does he really deserve to have # retired? not really.
Stats alone and its basically TIm Gervin,and David. mings, Moore, Mitc all had decent numbers too.
Yes Bowen was a role players.
Yes Bowen was used little on offence.
Yes If AJ and Elliott are in,,Bowen should be too
To me Bowen is the Bill bate of the cowboys. did all the dirty work that gets so little credit, but wonders in the lockerroom.
I understand the points why people say no, but in my book he is in.
On another note. I wonder how many Spurs players have played over 7 years with the Spurs??? Im sure there is more then this list.
Tim
David
AJ
Sean
Gervin
Moore?
Silas?
Bowen. Something to think about
that excuse, re-up that standard than...we're the franchise with the 4th most les in the league and the 3rd winningnest in terms of percentage. Retiring role players jerseys is a damn joke.
I give AJ a pass for the reasons that I have already mentioned, but if his jersey wasnt up there I wouldnt be whining or anything because he was indeed an average player. Elliott deserves his jersey up there, he was an all-star or borderline all-star for a good portion of his career here. D-Rob and Gervin are no brainers, and Silas and Moore I dont know enough about although I did hear one of them was nothing special. If we continue to use this 'if AJ is up there so should Bowen' logic, in a couple of decades the AT&T Center will have 5-10 role players jerseys up there.
http://nbahoopsonline.com/teams/SanA...les/top20.html
Hoops has him as #15 all time spurs. He is only one on this list who won a championship who has not gotton his number retired.
Tim and Tony and Manu are already locks.
He still doesnt belong up there.
retiring jerseys is a little far fetched..
IMO.. retiring jerseys is one cut below being a HOF'er.. jerseys shouldnt be retired loosely..
Not to take anything away from Bowen, but he's not that worthy. Parker and Manu, whether they make the HOF or not, deserve the honor -- and even now, I would pause before saying yes for Tony.
Like the poster above implied, it should be very very exclusive.
As for Bowen, think about whether the Lakers would retire Derek Fisher's jersey.
I would pause for Manu, not Parker who won the finals mvp in 2007.
this thread id LOL. You're telling me Manu is a ? when Silas and AJ have their # retired?
seriously. I can't believe some of the things being said in this thread. Bruce, Tony, and Manu are all absolute locks. Anyone who's watched the Spurs faithfully through this dynasty should know this.
love it when people say Bowen's "only" good at defense trying to marginalize his worth. well guess what, defense is half of the game(and in the Spurs' case more!) Bowen's value to this dynasty is immeasurable.
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