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    i hunt fenced animals clambake's Avatar
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    Luckily, what you think carries no weight.
    i don't think anyone here is going to forget your position on all things black.

    listen, i just think you can't help yourself. it's something you can't control.

    it controls you.

    just trying to help.

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    There were no legal consequences since the charges were dropped.

    It was a stupid arrest.
    Professor Gates' response to the police was the principle stupidity.

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    Guess the cops better start putting up cameras in my rooms and wiretap all my lines so they can bust me on the hundreds of dollars of software I copy each week in my own house. Plus I might do something outrageous like plant an illegal drug in a small pot, we don't want that.
    So you don't think the law applies everywhere?

    I'm not sure what you're saying.

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    i don't think anyone here is going to forget your position on all things black.
    And, what would that be?

    listen, i just think you can't help yourself. it's something you can't control.

    it controls you.

    just trying to help.
    So, at what point was Professor Gates racially profiled?

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    1) How was the officer supposed to know the person he viewed through the front door was the rightful resident?
    When Gates finally produced an ID, it should've been all over.

    2) If you create a disturbance and draw a crowd and, then, commit acts that could reasonably be construed to be offensive or disturbing to that assembled crowd, you can be arrested for disorderly conduct...even in your own front yard.
    There's discretion too. Dropped charges suggest the arresting officers made the wrong call, or at the very least, that the charges stood little chance of standing up in court.

    Professor Gates should have cooperated with the police, politely demonstrated he was in the house rightfully, let the police satisfy themselves there was nothing untoward occurring, thanked them, and let them go about their business.
    I can forgive his impoliteness; you and the Cambridge PD it seems, cannot.

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    This country used to be safer for jackasses. I miss it.
    that's very apparent

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    When Gates finally produced an ID, it should've been all over.
    Really? Are you aware of the relationship between Gates and his spouse? Why was he breaking into the house? Was there a restraining order against him restricting him from being on that property? Where was the second guy seen breaking into the house?

    There were a lot of unanswered questions.

    There's discretion too. Dropped charges suggest the arresting officers made the wrong call, or at the very least, that the charges stood little chance of standing up in court.
    Dropped charges could also mean political pressure was brought to bear.

    I can forgive his impoliteness; you and the Cambridge PD it seems, cannot.
    In the opinion of the officer and his peers, Professor Gates' behavior was beyond impolite. It created a disturbance and rose to the level of disorderly conduct.

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    When Gates finally produced an ID, it should've been all over.
    it was. professor jackass decided to prolong it. oh and disorderly conducts, especially for first time offenders, are normally dropped. posted it twice, so there's no water in that argument.

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    Really? Are you aware of the relationship between Gates and his spouse? Why was he breaking into the house? Was there a restraining order against him restricting him from being on that property? Where was the second guy seen breaking into the house?

    There were a lot of unanswered questions.
    You'll have to reveal the underlying crime yourself, Yoni.

    Good luck!


    Dropped charges could also mean political pressure was brought to bear.
    Rather than support bona fide charges, Cambridge PD caves to political pressure. What pussies.


    In the opinion of the officer and his peers, Professor Gates' behavior was beyond impolite. It created a disturbance and rose to the level of disorderly conduct.
    Actually, it didn't. The charges were dropped. Mr. Gates is guilty of acting like an ass, nothing more.

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    it was. professor jackass decided to prolong it. oh and disorderly conducts, especially for first time offenders, are normally dropped. posted it twice, so there's no water in that argument.
    where does it say on the arrest report that these charges are normally dropped?

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    So you don't think the law applies everywhere?
    I know it doesn't, especially in concerns to personal/private property in which it is your right to deny access to individuals. It is why self-defense doesn't cons ute homicide or manslaughter. The law clearly doesn't apply everywhere. Delivering hate speech in my house or slander in my house clearly will never apply.

    This doesn't even touch on things that are illegal in your home that shouldn't be on principle (growing weed, violating copyright).

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    where does it say on the arrest report that these charges are normally dropped?
    "I explained to Mr. Gates that the charges would be dropped and this this was a completely unnecessary and pointless arrest."

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    I know it doesn't, especially in concerns to personal/private property in which it is your right to deny access to individuals. It is why self-defense doesn't cons ute homicide or manslaughter. The law clearly doesn't apply everywhere. Delivering hate speech in my house or slander in my house clearly will never apply.

    This doesn't even touch on things that are illegal in your home that shouldn't be on principle (growing weed, violating copyright).
    You're wrong. The law still applies. Everywhere.

    Your right to self-defense, for instance, is enshrined in the law.

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    Are people still defending a disorderly conduct charge on your own property?

    This is great example of the law not being universal.

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    Can one become a professor of Anglo-American Studies?

    Does such a field even exist?

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    It's called the English Department.

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    It's called the English Department.

    Got it.

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    i hunt fenced animals clambake's Avatar
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    Can one become a professor of Anglo-American Studies?
    you don't want to do that. conservatives hate college professors.

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    where does it say on the arrest report that these charges are normally dropped?
    i never said it was in the report. read it again. i said i posted it twice. i've posted the link to the report numerous times on account of chump's stupidity.

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    Damn, look at this guy's wiki page.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_L...es,_Jr.#Career


    He was just waiting for some like this to happen to him.

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    you don't want to do that. conservatives hate college professors.

    just the liberal farts profs

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    Makes sense to me, but this is not the case here IMO. Getting too abstract is a danger.

    Was Mr. Gates, based on your viewing of the video, a danger to himself or others?

    Can you point to specific language/actions by Mr Gates that support your view, mrsm?
    I have to honestly say I can't remember all the specifics of the recording. But I do remember vividly the person I was listening with make a comment like "Man that old guy is going all George Jefferson on that cop". Indictment enough I suppose! j/k

    But really I mostly based my opinion on a personal experience I had a few years ago. I lived in El Paso until about 15 years ago. I owned a house that had a security system that was malfunctioning and unbeknown to me was calling in to the security company. One evening the security company was called, and supposedly they phoned my house to check up. For whatever reason I wasn't aware of the call, didn't answer and they notified the El Paso PD. 2 officers came to my door explained they recieved a call. I told them I was the home owner and wasn't aware of any problems. They asked for my ID, I tried to hand it thru the door but they insisted I step outside. They asked if I was the only person in the house and I said yes, then they asked "are you sure"? I thought that was kind of ridiculous at the time. I was telling the story to my cousin, an EPPD officer, and made it a point to say I couldn't believe they wanted me to step outside of my own house!! She said "He just wanted to be sure there wasn't anyone standing behind the door holding a gun to your head, making you give all the right answers". Seemed fair enough to me. I suppose I could have freaked out about being a hispanic woman being discriminated in my home, but being as I believe in behaving in a rational manner that would have been a bit silly I think.

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    i hunt fenced animals clambake's Avatar
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    I have to honestly say I can't remember all the specifics of the recording. But I do remember vividly the person I was listening with make a comment like "Man that old guy is going all George Jefferson on that cop". Indictment enough I suppose! j/k

    But really I mostly based my opinion on a personal experience I had a few years ago. I lived in El Paso until about 15 years ago. I owned a house that had a security system that was malfunctioning and unbeknown to me was calling in to the security company. One evening the security company was called, and supposedly they phoned my house to check up. For whatever reason I wasn't aware of the call, didn't answer and they notified the El Paso PD. 2 officers came to my door explained they recieved a call. I told them I was the home owner and wasn't aware of any problems. They asked for my ID, I tried to hand it thru the door but they insisted I step outside. They asked if I was the only person in the house and I said yes, then they asked "are you sure"? I thought that was kind of ridiculous at the time. I was telling the story to my cousin, an EPPD officer, and made it a point to say I couldn't believe they wanted me to step outside of my own house!! She said "He just wanted to be sure there wasn't anyone standing behind the door holding a gun to your head, making you give all the right answers". Seemed fair enough to me. I suppose I could have freaked out about being a hispanic woman being discriminated in my home, but being as I believe in behaving in a rational manner that would have been a bit silly I think.
    thats a nice story, but the cop followed gates into his kitchen.

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    thats a nice story, but the cop followed gates into his kitchen.
    The acoustically dangerous kitchen.

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