Obama/Gates/Police fiasco....

[Yonivore]

I think its pretty funny that the only ones bringing up race here are the ones against Gates. No one else in this thread is saying it was racially motivated. Of course they want to paint this as a situation where the race card is being drawn because its obviously not a racist situation.

We agree there was no racial motivation here so you can stop trying to make it an issue of contention.

Gates and President Obama made it a race issue.

[ChumpDumper]

They are not posting on this board.

[Yonivore]

They are not posting on this board.

Doesn't mean their making it a race issue isn't a valid point of discussion. In fact, if they hadn't, this incident wouldn't be a topic at all.

[ChumpDumper]

Doesn't mean their making it a race issue isn't a valid point of discussion. In fact, if they hadn't, this incident wouldn't be a topic at all.

So you want to make it a racial issue because some liberals wanted to make it a racial issue.

You're quite a good little follower, aren't you?

[clambake]

no, if gates had been white, none of this would have happened. none of it.

[Yonivore]

no, if gates had been white, none of this would have happened. none of it.

Again, it depends on if the white Professor was as much of an asshole as Gates.

[Yonivore]

So you want to make it a racial issue because some liberals wanted to make it a racial issue.

You're quite a good little follower, aren't you?

If not for the racial aspect of this incident, raised by Gates and inflamed by Obama, there'd be nothing to discuss.

[clambake]

Again, it depends on if the white Professor was as much of an asshole as Gates.

you still don't get it. not the thread for you. i know you can't help it.

[Yonivore]

you still don't get it. not the thread for you. i know you can't help it.

It's you that doesn't get it.

[rjv]

just a question but what exactly did obama say that is causing people to infer he made it a racial issue?

[clambake]

i know you can't help it.

[ChumpDumper]

If not for the racial aspect of this incident, raised by Gates and inflamed by Obama, there'd be nothing to discuss.

We have been discussing the other issues at length, yourself included.

You are pretty stupid to not know that.

[ChumpDumper]

just a question but what exactly did obama say that is causing people to infer he made it a racial issue?

He explicitly said he didn't know if there was any racial component to this occurrence, but he did start talking about racial profiling in his answer to the question. It was a dumb thing to do since people like Yoni can't wait to pick up a racial argument.

[Yonivore]

He explicitly said he didn't know if there was any racial component to this occurrence, but he did start talking about racial profiling in his answer to the question. It was a dumb thing to do since people like Yoni can't wait to pick up a racial argument.

Again, Gates started the argument and Obama carried it forward on a national scale.

He could have said that since he doesn't know if there was a racial component, it would be stupid to make any statement on what the incident says about race relations.

He could have done that. But, no, he had to discuss the incident in the context of race relations.

[ChumpDumper]

Again, Gates started the argument and Obama carried it forward on a national scale.

Except he didn't. Gates said he was racially profiled. Obama said racial profiling exists. It wasn't an argument.

[Yonivore]

Except he didn't. Gates said he was racially profiled. Obama said racial profiling exists. It wasn't an argument.

Thus validating, implicitly, that Gates' claim was reasonable. He should have never attached the two issues...even if they were asked in the context of the same idiotic question from a reporter.

Nevermind there was nothing, whatsoever, to support the claim Gates was profiled.

[rjv]

i guess i will have to go and read more fully what he exactly stated

[ChumpDumper]

Thus validating, implicitly, that Gates' claim was reasonable.

No, you and other idiots inferred that erroneously. That's why it was dumb of Obama to talk about it.

Nevermind there was nothing, whatsoever, to support the claim Gates was profiled.

You would prefer to nevermind that it does exist.

[xrayzebra]

Well I see nothing much ever changes in here. Same dumbass arguments from the
same dumbass liberals.

Obama never wrong, except most of the time he is. You know like his stupid remark:

""And I could have calibrated those words differently.""

How the do you calibrate words? Only the lefties know. Special meter I guess.


Yep Obama you sure could have. And you could also apologize in public like you
called the police stupid in public instead of inviting the policeman to the WH for a
beer and apoligizing in private.



But then he is God isn't he? Stupid neighborhood organizer. Always was and always
will be.

[clambake]

what are you doing in here, ray?

this ain't a thread about z.

[rjv]

Well I see nothing much ever changes in here. Same dumbass arguments from the
same dumbass liberals.

Obama never wrong, except most of the time he is. You know like his stupid remark:

""And I could have calibrated those words differently.""

How the do you calibrate words? Only the lefties know. Special meter I guess.


Yep Obama you sure could have. And you could also apologize in public like you
called the police stupid in public instead of inviting the policeman to the WH for a
beer and apoligizing in private.



But then he is God isn't he? Stupid neighborhood organizer. Always was and always
will be.

truthfully, obama endorses the same neoliberal policies that started with carter and took off with reagan. the minute differences or just what the politicos feed the masses so as to create the mythology we have regarding the current political landscape (i.e., we have a truly dichotomous 2 party system). thus, rather than addressing the need for true reform we continue to argue over the more trivial topics (such as this thread) instead of the meat and potatoes.

[Yonivore]

No, you and other idiots inferred that erroneously. That's why it was dumb of Obama to talk about it.

Nothing to infer.

Thank you, Mr. President. Recently Professor Henry Louis Gates Jr. was arrested at his home in Cambridge. What does that incident say to you and what does it say about race relations in America?

Well, I should say at the outset that "Skip" Gates is a friend, so I may be a little biased here. I don't know all the facts. What's been reported, though, is that the guy forgot his keys, jimmied his way to get into the house, there was a report called into the police station that there might be a burglary taking place -- so far, so good, right? I mean, if I was trying to jigger into -- well, I guess this is my house now so -- (laughter) -- it probably wouldn't happen. But let's say my old house in Chicago -- (laughter) -- here I'd get shot. (Laughter.)

But so far, so good. They're reporting -- the police are doing what they should. There's a call, they go investigate what happens. My understanding is at that point Professor Gates is already in his house. The police officer comes in, I'm sure there's some exchange of words, but my understanding is, is that Professor Gates then shows his ID to show that this is his house. And at that point, he gets arrested for disorderly conduct -- charges which are later dropped.

Now, I don't know, not having been there and not seeing all the facts, what role race played in that, but I think it's fair to say, number one, any of us would be pretty angry; number two, that the Cambridge Police acted stupidly in arresting somebody when there was already proof that they were in their own home; and number three, what I think we know separate and apart from this incident is that there is a long history in this country of African Americans and Latinos being stopped by law enforcement disproportionately. That's just a fact.

As you know, Lynn, when I was in the state legislature in Illinois, we worked on a racial profiling bill because there was indisputable evidence that blacks and Hispanics were being stopped disproportionately. And that is a sign, an example of how, you know, race remains a factor in this society. That doesn't lessen the incredible progress that has been made. I am standing here as testimony to the progress that's been made.

And yet the fact of the matter is, is that this still haunts us. And even when there are honest misunderstandings, the fact that blacks and Hispanics are picked up more frequently and oftentime for no cause casts su ion even when there is good cause. And that's why I think the more that we're working with local law enforcement to improve policing techniques so that we're eliminating potential bias, the safer everybody is going to be.

He conflated the two topics instead of separating them.

You would prefer to nevermind that it does exist.

It didn't exist in this case and that is the point of discussion.

[Marcus Bryant]

truthfully, obama endorses the same neoliberal policies that started with carter and took off with reagan. the minute differences or just what the politicos feed the masses so as to create the mythology we have regarding the current political landscape (i.e., we have a truly dichotomous 2 party system). thus, rather than addressing the need for true reform we continue to argue over the more trivial topics (such as this thread) instead of the meat and potatoes.

Yes, both parties are more alike than they are apart. Both are neoprogressive parties, with the Democrat flavor more attuned to multiculturalism and social welfare programs, while the Republican flavor offers traditionalism and an emphasis on the military. The Mommy and Daddy sides of the omniscient, omnipresent American state.

[Marcus Bryant]

Naturally Yanni would be in favor of an agent of the state showing up at your house, demanding you come outside, and then arresting you if you don't comply.

[ChumpDumper]

Nothing to infer.

He conflated the two topics instead of separating them.

I think we know separate and apart from this incident is that there is a long history in this country of African Americans and Latinos being stopped by law enforcement disproportionately. That's just a fact.

The word "separate" is used to separate racial profiling from this incident.

As I said, it's easy for those who don't care to pay any attention to let their biases lead them to whatever conclusion they wish.

It didn't exist in this case and that is the point of discussion.

The point is you didn't get it, so you want to make it about race as much as possible now. You are as bad as Gates.