5 freedoms you'd lose in health care reform

[Spursmania]

http://money.cnn.com/2009/07/24/news...tune/index.htm

This definitely takes away all our individual choices and eventually, we would all be on the government plan as I have been saying for awhile now.

[boutons_deux]

"The rub is that the plans can't really compete based on what they offer. The reason: The federal government will impose a minimum list of benefits that each plan is required to offer."

Why can't the plans compete on something above the floor set by the govt? The plans can only compete on the minimum offer? GMAFB

"the reason" that this "writer" is a writer?

"gouging the young"

but those young will be thrilled, when they are older and sicker, to
"gouge" the young. The whole point of insurance is to spread actual costs over a wide population of potential claimants. And the fat, lazy, thrill-seeking, helmet-non-wearing, drug-taking, binge-drinking, pre-diabetic "jackass" young aren't exactly non-claimants or "healthy livers".

More scare tactics from a Fortune/anti-consumer/pro-business "writer"

[Spursmania]

This is an insult to our intelligence. Why isn't the President and Congress upfront with the American people?

That's why we have to research and dig up this information to figure out what the it is they are trying to pass. Obama keeps saying, "if you like your plan, you can keep it!" Which is not true. It's a blatant lie because if you have any common sense you will see that once your plan changes a little and you don't like it, the only alternative is the public plan. And, you have to be on a private plan prior to the law taking effect or you will automatically be pushed to the public plan.

How can they say with a straight face that this is good for all of America. Where is our choice, our freedom? Why should we all be forced to be on a government plan? I've known this for awhile, but it isn't right that Congress and the President are not up front with the America people. This is so wrong on so many levels.

[Spursmania]

[DarrinS]

We can all have free health care, with lower costs, higher quality, and more individual choice.

We can also have limitless green energy.

We can also all have pet unicorns.


-Liberal mind

[DarrinS]

[boutons_deux]

Choice? Tell your employer that you'd rather have his cost of your insurance as taxed salary rather than as a tax-free benefit, and see what his says.

Why would you do that? Because as hard-core free marketer, you want the choice of buying your own health insurance that than being FORCED to take the employer's plan (which is where ALL of your raises go).

[ChumpDumper]

Have you read any bill before congress completely, Darrin?

Name one.

[DarrinS]

Have you read any bill before congress completely, Darrin?

Name one.

I've probably read as much as they have and I'm not a congressman.

[ChumpDumper]

That wasn't the question.

Have you read any bill before congress completely, Darrin?

Name one.

[Winehole23]

I've probably read as much as they have and I'm not a congressman.

In other words, close to nothing.

[DarrinS]

In other words, close to nothing.

I've read enough to know that I'm worried about it being rushed through.

[ChumpDumper]

I've read enough to know that I'm worried about it being rushed through.

How many pages of this actual bill have you read, Darrin?

[DarrinS]

How many pages of this actual bill have you read, Darrin?

Fewer than your post count and greater than 50.

[ChumpDumper]

Fewer than your post count and greater than 50.

Really?

You read more than 50 pages of this bill?

One would think you could actually comment on that part of the bill instead of posting someone's lame Youtube.

Let me know the section and we can discuss it.

[mookie2001]

what if one doesnt have insurance what freedoms will they lose?

[Yonivore]

what if one doesnt have insurance what freedoms will they lose?

The freedom to walk into any emergency room in the country and receive free medical care. They'll have to go on a government plan and use a government doctor...maybe one that isn't as conveniently located or competent as most Emergency Room doctors.

[George Gervin's Afro]

The freedom to walk into any emergency room in the country and receive free medical care. They'll have to go on a government plan and use a government doctor...maybe one that isn't as conveniently located or competent as most Emergency Room doctors.

status quo...

[Yonivore]

status quo...

Further degrading an already poor system isn't the status quo.

[Spursmania]

what if one doesnt have insurance what freedoms will they lose?

They will lose the freedom of choosing not to have insurance.

About 16 million people between the ages 0f 18-34 choose not to pay for insurance because they are pretty healthy at that age. As the article reads, the young will be paying much higher premiums, i.e. 2,500 on insurance because they will be essentially helping to defray the higher cost of premiums the elderly usually pay.

[George Gervin's Afro]

They will lose the freedom of choosing not to have insurance.

About 16 million people between the ages 0f 18-34 choose not to pay for insurance because they are pretty healthy at that age. As the article reads, the young will be paying much higher premiums, i.e. 2,500 on insurance because they will be essentially helping to defray the higher cost of premiums the elderly usually pay.

chances are some of these folks will suffer catostraphic injuries or illnesses..what then? who pays for them?

[ChumpDumper]

The freedom to walk into any emergency room in the country and receive free medical care. They'll have to go on a government plan and use a government doctor...maybe one that isn't as conveniently located or competent as most Emergency Room doctors.

What is your measure of the relative competency of most ER doctors?

[Yonivore]

What is your measure of the relative competency of most ER doctors?

Relative to what?

[ChumpDumper]

Relative to what?

Relative to other doctors as you just mentioned.

[Spursmania]

chances are some of these folks will suffer catostraphic injuries or illnesses..what then? who pays for them?

Every American-it's called life. No one should be responsible for everyone else's problems. We make our own way in life. I don't expect handouts from anybody. I'm not quite sure why people are expecting free healthcare.
People in this country work for what they want in life.

Besides, you are still treated for a catastrophic illness now even if you don't have insurance, but you will not get cutting edge treatment. I don't think under the rationed plan, you'd be getting cutting edge treatment anyway.