Who to Blame if Obamacare is not passed?

[Spursmania]

If President Obama fails to pass this health bill, this will be a turning point in his Presidency. He has made Health care his number one priority. Thanks to the remarks of Senator DeMint who stated this will be Obama's "waterloo" should he fail, Obama is on the defensive taking his campaign on the road attempting to garner more support for his plan.

I do not want this particular Health Care plan for various reasons. However, I think the Bill will pass solely because the Democrats would lose face having the majority in both houses. They have no alternative but to pass a Bill. However, I think the liberal parameters of the bill passed in the House will be butchered and trimmed tremendously by the Senate who is not as liberal as the House.

If this bill is Not passed, I will blame Pelosi and her overconfidence in dismissing the "Blue Dog" democrats. The GOP has no power to stop this. The only party to blame are the Democrats themselves. Who will you blame if this bill is killed?

[Yonivore]

If President Obama fails to pass this health bill, this will be a turning point in his Presidency. He has made Health care his number one priority. Thanks to the remarks of Senator DeMint who stated this will be Obama's "waterloo" should he fail, Obama is on the defensive taking his campaign on the road attempting to garner more support for his plan.

I do not want this particular Health Care plan for various reasons. However, I think the Bill will pass solely because the Democrats would lose face having the majority in both houses. They have no alternative but to pass a Bill. However, I think the liberal parameters of the bill passed in the House will be butchered and trimmed tremendously by the Senate who is not as liberal as the House.

If this bill is Not passed, I will blame Pelosi and her overconfidence in dismissing the "Blue Dog" democrats. The GOP has no power to stop this. The only party to blame are the Democrats themselves. Who will you blame if this bill is killed?

I won't "blame" anyone. I'll give full credit to the Blue Dog Democrats and moderates who know -- and, if they don't, will get an earful from cons uents during the next recess -- they will not be returning to their current jobs in January 2011 if it passes.

[mookie2001]

your "various reasons"-you have health insurance

[George Gervin's Afro]

If President Obama fails to pass this health bill, this will be a turning point in his Presidency. He has made Health care his number one priority. Thanks to the remarks of Senator DeMint who stated this will be Obama's "waterloo" should he fail, Obama is on the defensive taking his campaign on the road attempting to garner more support for his plan.

I do not want this particular Health Care plan for various reasons. However, I think the Bill will pass solely because the Democrats would lose face having the majority in both houses. They have no alternative but to pass a Bill. However, I think the liberal parameters of the bill passed in the House will be butchered and trimmed tremendously by the Senate who is not as liberal as the House.

If this bill is Not passed, I will blame Pelosi and her overconfidence in dismissing the "Blue Dog" democrats. The GOP has no power to stop this. The only party to blame are the Democrats themselves. Who will you blame if this bill is killed?

you asked a question and then you answered it. we get it you don't like obama and his healthcare proposals.

stupid thread

[Yonivore]

your "various reasons"-you have health insurance

And you have health care.

[Spursmania]

you asked a question and then you answered it. we get it you don't like obama and his healthcare proposals.

stupid thread

It's a question meant for discussion. Who will you blame if it's not passed? I gave my opinion, isn't that what discussion is for?

[Wild Cobra]

I can just see all the liberals saying "It's President Bush's fault!"

[Spursmania]

your "various reasons"-you have health insurance

Yes, I actually have to work to pay for it. The American way you know. You work for what you want, nothing is for free. You don't have health insurance?

[balli]

Yes, I actually have to work to pay for it. The American way you know. You work for what you want, nothing is for free. You don't have health insurance?

We're all real impressed by your self-reliance, but there are millions of Americans who work their asses off (just as hard and/or harder then you do) and either don't have benefits, or don't make enough to provide their own. What an in-compassionate, simple-minded and selfish view you've cultivated.

[Yonivore]

Well, here's a simple question. Why do people have the right to something that thousands, maybe hundreds of thousands, of Americans spend a considerable amount of their treasure learning to provide?

Why do I have a unalienable right to medical care?

People spend hundreds of thousands of dollars and years of their lives going to medical school so they can provide medical care. Hospitals spend millions on facilities and equipment so these people have a place to practice their trade. Companies spend billions to research and develop medical techniques, equipment, and therapies so that we Americans have the opportunity to receive the most advanced treatments known in the world.

If I have an unalienable right to the fruits of these people's labor, why aren't they trained, equipped, and developed for free?

[boutons_deux]

"It's President Bush's fault"

Well, let's see...

dubya gave $800B in tax cuts to wealthy Americans.

dubya give $50B/year in sudsidies to BigPharma so it can compete with Medicare.

dubya made illegal any negotiation of drug prices, so the US govt pays full list price.

Over 10 years, there's the $1T that health reform is supposed to cost.

dubya's bogus Iraq war and botching of Afghanistan costs another few $T over the lifetime of the ed-up vets, and humongous interest on the debts he ran up to pay for those wars.

yep, dubya was the super-patriot to beat all super-patriots, ing up the country while protecting and enriching the corps and capitalists.

[Yonivore]

"It's President Bush's fault"

Well, let's see...

dubya gave $800B in tax cuts to wealthy Americans.

Which considerably raised federal revenues. Just as tax cuts under Kennedy, Reagan, and Clinton raised federal revenues.

Bush's tax cuts are a non-starter when you consider they led to a net gain in revenues.

dubya give $50B/year in sudsidies to BigPharma so it can compete with Medicare.

When did Medicare start developing pharmaceuticals?

dubya made illegal any negotiation of drug prices, so the US govt pays full list price.

Good. People deserve to be paid for their goods.

Over 10 years, there's the $1T that health reform is supposed to cost.

Remove the $800 Billion tax cuts that resulted in a net revenue gain, and you're still nowhere near One Trillion Dollars.

[balli]

Well, here's a simple question. Why do people have the right to something that thousands, maybe hundreds of thousands, of Americans spend a considerable amount of their treasure learning to provide?

Why do I have a unalienable right to medical care?

People spend hundreds of thousands of dollars and years of their lives going to medical school so they can provide medical care. Hospitals spend millions on facilities and equipment so these people have a place to practice their trade. Companies spend billions to research and develop medical techniques, equipment, and therapies so that we Americans have the opportunity to receive the most advanced treatments known in the world.

If I have an unalienable right to the fruits of these people's labor, why aren't they trained, equipped, and developed for free?

Typical, dumb conservative. Too stupid to see the issue in any other terms than binary.

[Yonivore]

Typical, dumb conservative. Too stupid to see the issue in any other terms than binary.

Typical liberal. Too stupid to see if you start giving stuff away, the people who produce it for profit will quit and quality will degrade.

[Bender]

We're all real impressed by your self-reliance, but there are millions of Americans who work their asses off (just as hard and/or harder then you do) and either don't have benefits, or don't make enough to provide their own. What an in-compassionate, simple-minded and selfish view you've cultivated.

There's even more millions who don't do , but get everything free, and leech off the rest of us.

[Yonivore]

There's even more millions who don't do , but get everything free, and leech off the rest of us.

Approaching 50%...a tipping point.

[jack sommerset]

I don't think this is Obamas waterloo. This free health is a complete cluster of stupidity but he can keep sending troops to Afghanistan to keep the fighting over there so we our safe here. Obama can keep open Gitmo so we don't let terrorist continue their fight against us. He can shut Pelosi the up and get her out of the house. He can lower taxes. There is alot for him to do so he does not become the worst president in US history. Hopefully he gets back from vacation and says the stimulus package is not working and re-write the thing with over 90 percent of the money left. Maybe this time he can keep his promise having no earmarks in the thing. Stop talking about taxing soda. He said he would not raise taxes on people making less than 200 G's but he he did when he hiked up smokes. Those smokers pay a load in taxes. No more talk of Cap and Trade. Tell N. Korea we are coming next missle we see launched. Tell Europe we saved ur ass and I will not apologize for it anymore. Stop spending millions of dollars on date nights. Don't call a entire police organization stupid when he has zero clue what happened. I should say "acted stupidly". Lets hope he does a better job SOON!

[Wild Cobra]

We're all real impressed by your self-reliance, but there are millions of Americans who work their asses off (just as hard and/or harder then you do) and either don't have benefits, or don't make enough to provide their own. What an in-compassionate, simple-minded and selfish view you've cultivated.

Why don't people understand that health care is not a right. It is a commodity to buy.

When businesses first started offering health care to their employees, it was to bring the best people to them to pick from. It was an incentive to work for a particular company. Now if you want to work for someone that provides health insurance, then bust your ass more learning the skills those places need! I have. I've busted my ass for years learning enough mechanics, physics, electronics, chemistry etc. to be were I am. For someone to demand the same things I busted my ass for is appalling to me.

"It's President Bush's fault"
[opens mouth and only idiotic liberal talking points come out]

Don't you have your own brain to use?

Get this through your heads lib s.

Health care is not a right. You have to earn or pay for it yourself.

To demand it be provided for you shows the mentality of a child who still lives with his parents providing for him.

Just move back in with mommy you ing crybabies.

[SonOfAGun]

We're all real impressed by your self-reliance, but there are millions of Americans who work their asses off (just as hard and/or harder then you do) and either don't have benefits, or don't make enough to provide their own. What an in-compassionate, simple-minded and selfish view you've cultivated.

Work harder & smarter, also don't have kids until you can afford them.

Life is not that hard to figure out. You losers gots to drag us down with you though, we get it.

It's not even about that though. There is plenty of money to throw some bones at the deserving during rough patches in their life. The problem is government can never seem to get an effective real world policy through. Instead their agenda is to make it look like they are helping the less fortunate but in reality they just want to attack the successful as a means of social control. That's the rub, braaah.

[balli]

I hope you all lose your jobs. Scratch that, I hope you all keep your jobs, but lose your health insurance. Then I hope you all get cancer. Then I hope no matter how hard you work, you can't afford treatment. Then I hope you try anyway and go in to bankruptcy. Then I hope your re-missive cancer comes back(or never goes away). By that time, I hope you've lost your job. Then I hope you go to a hospital for more chemo. When they find out they've already taken all your money, I hope they tell you to OFF & DIE.

If you dumbass conservatives can only see an option between free, or this ed up system we got now, that's what I seriously hope happens; your death at the hands of the medical industry.

Life is not that hard to figure out. You losers gots to drag us down with you though, we get it.

I don't have kids and I pay my taxes just like you do. STFU.

[Jacob1983]

Obama will do what he always does when something goes wrong under his watch, blame it on Bush. It will be Bush's fault when Obama's communistic health care plan fails. That's what Obama will do. Book it.

[jack sommerset]

The old blame Bush tactic. Has worked very well for him but it is coming to end. Kind of hard to blame him when Obama is doing some of the samethings especially when it comes to protecting our country.

[Yonivore]

The old blame Bush tactic. Has worked very well for him but it is coming to end. Kind of hard to blame him when Obama is doing some of the samethings especially when it comes to protecting our country.

I don't think it's worked for him at all. The Bush administration left him a deficit that could have more than been covered by the money he's not spending from the Stimulus bill that was a moral imperative.

I think Obama stepped in with an approximately 400 Billion dollar deficit. A deficit, by the way, he facilitated by voting in favor of the Bush Administration spending initiatives.

The Stimulus, which has an ultimate 800 Billion dollar price tag has -- for the most part -- not been spent. If Obama were smart, he'd commit to not spending it, paying off the existing deficit and stopping all this other Cap and Tax and Health Care for everyone nonsense.

But, he ain't smart.

And, blaming Bush is one of the reasons his poll number keep dropping.

[jack sommerset]

I don't think it's worked for him at all. The Bush administration left him a deficit that could have more than been covered by the money he's not spending from the Stimulus bill that was a moral imperative.

I think Obama stepped in with an approximately 400 Billion dollar deficit. A deficit, by the way, he facilitated by voting in favor of the Bush Administration spending initiatives.

The Stimulus, which has an ultimate 800 Billion dollar price tag has -- for the most part -- not been spent. If Obama were smart, he'd commit to not spending it, paying off the existing deficit and stopping all this other Cap and Tax and Health Care for everyone nonsense.

But, he ain't smart.

And, blaming Bush is one of the reasons his poll number keep dropping.

But it got him the job.

[Yonivore]

But it got him the job.

No, making promises he had no intention of keeping and obscuring his activist past effectively is what got him elected.

Hope and change was just a campaign slogan.