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I would be bummed about a Laker getting hurt, but I wouldn't care as much as if it were Pau or Derek. At this point I like Odom as much as I like Sasha Vujacic...and I'm sure everyone knows that nobody likes Sasha
Here's what should concern you... Both Ariza and Odom are unselfish players. Both Artest and Bryant are selfish players.
You're losing two team guys, and now the two ego guys on your teams will have ego wars all year long. If you don't see this happening, I'm not sure what world you're living in. Dude, Bryant started a war with Bynum when he was 21 years old. How necessary was that ridiculous video ofhim spouting off about trading Bynum?
And now Bynum's fat new contract kicks in, yet he won't be producing any more than 12 and 10 and that's only if he's 100% healthy.
If Odom really leaves, the Lakers will have way more problems than you realize. I view losing Odom as a catastrophic loss. Odom is really a starter, because Bynum gets his two fouls within the first 5 minutes of every meaningful game. Honestly, as much as you guys hype Bynum, the poor kid was real cose to worthless in the playoffs.
Well, your Geiko for Bynum just might be playing in South Beach this year.
Too many variables: Duncan will most probably be physically compromised the remainder of his career. There is prime left there, but, just trace amounts.
The chances of Manu coming back whole is 50/50 maybe 60/40.
That leaves Parker & Jefferson. Jackson, no matter the scenario will move to isolate & suffocate Jefferson, knowing he is the relatively unknown commodity.
No more Thomas to contend with will be a bonus.
I've said since the end of the playoffs: its just the Spurs in the West for us. Everybody else will fade to black. If we can get lucky and somebody else ends the Celtics before next June I can't see anybody else stopping us coming from the East.
That's only because yer holding the ty end of the stick, Harlem. If we were holding that icky end you'd be in your glory:
- "Oh, the Spurs are so good."
- "Oh, the Spurs won their 4th plus that strike one."
- "Oh, I think I'm going to swoon."
- "Oh, Dunc, catch me, darling."
- "Oh, look at me, I'm champion and I hate the Fakers."
- "Oh, were so honest and the Fakers cheat."
- "Oh."
I can see thru you, Harlem. Yer a good time Charley, and you ain't had a good time, Charley, in over 2 years.
They're all grown men. It's not a game. It's a business. It's not a necessity to be friends in order to attain team goals.
I got no problem with Kobe rootin' thru the roster, holding the ner do wells to accounts, conjuring ways to improve his chances of garnering another ring.
He's said on many occasions that if the players on the roster aren't going to aspire to his level they'll get others in there that will. Everybody has been warned, and fairly so.
Your Pop and your org. does the same thing, only they do it in private because it ain't Los Angeles and because ESPN/Media frames it different for you fellows. When Pop takes somebody to the woodshed, or, runs somebody off it's a solemn event and Pop is afforded respect from Media. He is always sided. That's rarely the case in Los Angeles.
Kobe has been "Smushed" & "Browned."
NBA players careers are finite. Just because Kobe appreciates that stoic reality doesn't mean his team mates should get a free pass because they don't or won't. So, when Kobe goes to the whip too early, it's sure better than too late.
Interesting take.
If I recall correctly, Ray Allen had two years or so where his ankles were horrendous and had surgery to repair them. How has he done since then? Even though I as a Spurs fan am still skeptical, but hopeful, I definitely would not count out Manu to come back 100% healthy.
Duncan is getting older, but with the wealth of talent around him, he won't have to do all the heavy lifting alone. If he comes back this year healthy and his minutes are limited, watch out.
Thomas still has a chance at returning if the Bucks cut him, but I am not counting on it. However, I will say if Thomas gave you fits, how do think you all will deal with McDyess who is twice the player that Thomas is?
And yes, it will be interesting to see who comes out of the East. I still think the Celtics if healthy have one more good year to get to the finals.
This will definitely be an interesting and entertaining year for both our teams. I am going to enjoy it...
Last edited by montgod; 07-26-2009 at 09:09 AM.
I know I ain't riding the Celts, but I do see them coming out of the East this next year if healthy.
And I can't say that I fully agree in regards to the Cavs beating the Celts. Even though it was a toughly fought series with the Celts vs. the Cavs two years ago, I don't know how it would turn out now. That was the first year in which Boston brought the big three together and I think after 2 years, they would perform even better than they did that year. On paper, the addition of Shaq and Mo Williams makes the Cavs a whole lot better, but you never know what will happen in the playoffs (i.e. Williams not showing up last year). Since the Celts won a year ago and were without their MVP player in Garnett this last year, I still give them the benefit of the doubt in beating a Cavs team that completely folded this last year. Don't forget, the Celts also just added a couple players that could make a difference as well in Wallace and Daniels as well as a more mature and capable Big Baby if he returns.
The Celtics have a gaggle of blue chippers: Allen, Pierce, KG, Rondo, Perkins. Cleveland has one: James. Daddy there is going to make them sorry, but, you can't tell them that. They need to see for themselves, like Phoenix did. The remainder of their roster is pure mish-mash. Orlando will give the Celtics more resistance than any team in the East, including the Cavs. Celtics play lock down defense, the only team in the NBA that does at this point. And they're not afraid to play thuggishly, not so much because it comes natural to them, but, mostly because they know it's very affective and teams will just back away.
James has flaws to his game, especially in the playoffs. Just because ESPN/Media won't put a light to these flaws and examine them in the daylight don't mean other coaches and teams ain't taken notes about them.
James must give the ball up to get it back and he won't do it. He, like Kobe, (but unlike Jordan & Magic) takes no one with him when he goes, but, like Kobe, quality players make Kobe better (Gasol). James must get a player that is just a smidge behind him in talent & intelligence. Otherwise, it's just futile for him.
That's harsh. I never liked LO much, but he stepped up when it mattered this year. So, he has my respect.
Comparing, him to Sasha though, that's too much.
Laker , gettin his "butt hurt" on...
Dunc, gettin' his turd hound back on.
This is obviously all posturing by Odom. They want people to think he's leaning towards Miami. That way it forces Mr.Buss to go all in. Like I said Odom wants to get paid and apparently he isn't letting up one bit.
If Buss opens his wallet Odom is a Laker again, but if he won't do any better then the previous deal I think he's gone.
And who has who by the balls now lmao. Poor Mr.Buss is going to have to swallow his pride on this one.
With 9 rings in 30 years of ownership, Buss ain't done too bad.
who has a better chance winning a ring next? Lamar in Miami or Buss with Kobe, Pao and Artest? Who has who by the balls now?
from the looks of things, I'd fare that winning a ring is one of the lower priorities in Odom's mind.
and if he is willing to take Miami's MLE offer, money is also one of the lower priorities.
Didn't the Lakers only offer him 30M? I know there was a report of 4 years @ 36M, but the last year was not guaranteed or it was a team option. If that is true, 5 years full MLE is worth more than what the Lakers offered.
You guys are going to overpay for Odom lol. I hope he doesn't fall into obscurity after making the deal. I could see him getting lazy after he gets his money. That would suck.
That's back into obscurity. He'd come out of obscurity for the '09 playoffs.
& it would suck. But, we've been snookered afore: Richmond, Murray, Vug, Meds, Hunter, on & on & on.
So the goods news is we retain Odom.
So the bad news is we retain Odom.
Odom is intellectually (basketball wise) dishonest. It's a slippery slope with him.
Uh, no. You had two CLEAR mismatches in Kobe and Lamar, and we had one with Parker. Take that down to one, and it's ON, es.
Actually, you'd probably just jump teams again like when you abandoned the heartless Suns.
It's perfect, almost instant karma that the team you jump to has a 30+ year old star, and their supporting cast is dropping away like rotten wood.
Please.
this is getting ridiculous.
i wish this thing gets resolved tomorrow and the er makes up his mind one way or the other.
i'm getting sick and tired of hearing about this day in and day out.
As long as he doesn't go I could care less how long it drags out. It's only time. Ain't nothing happening till at least October anyway.
@ saying the Cavs would whip our asses. While everybody is saying we havent proven we can win in the Q, the Cavs havent won in Boston either. Mo Williams hardly scares me. The er cant handle the pressure as it showed against Orlando when he couldnt back up his smack talk. You talk about the Cavs being improved since then well so has Boston. Daniels and Wallace make the bench much stronger than last year. It is going to take 6-7 games to eliminate the Celts. Saying the Cavs would handle them with ease is just comedy.
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