Ginobili

[Culburn369]

Because he's not a real Laker fan.

Please.

[mojorizen7]

Tony > Fisher

Manu < Kobe

RJ > Artest

Tim > Pau

Dice > Bynum (if we go by actual production on an entire season instead of hype)

And you better sign Odom 'cause if you don't SA bench >>> LA bench.

I'm buying it minus the RJ> Artest part.
Ron Ron gives you more than RJ. Less scoring but more of everything else including the "D" which you aren't going to get from RJ.

[DAF86]

If 30 GMs were interviewed, my guess is at least 20 they'd rather have Artest over Jefferson.

I'm buying it minus the RJ> Artest part.
Ron Ron gives you more than RJ. Less scoring but more of everything else including the "D" which you aren't going to get from RJ.

OK I respect your opinions and I know that I am among the minority here. But I'm not too high on Artest, IMO Artest for Ariza isn't an upgrade for LA.

[Ghazi]

Jefferson blows

[Culburn369]

OK I respect your opinions and I know that I am among the minority here. But I'm not too high on Artest, IMO Artest for Ariza isn't an upgrade for LA.

That's only because the Mavs suckered punched ya 4-1 & then the Lakers went to 15.

[sonic21]

That's only because the Mavs suckered punched ya 4-1 & then the Lakers went to 15.

???

[benefactor]

That's only because the Mavs suckered punched ya 4-1 & then the Lakers went to 15.

What does that have to do with what he said? Seriously, you are turning into one of the worst posters on this site.

[Shastafarian]

Wrong again. They only lead in two of the five games. The series was easy for the Lakers, get over it. I provided you the link, and you still cant get it right.

Game 1
5:54 Tim Duncan makes 7-foot hook shot 65-45

Game 3
6:54 66-86 Brent Barry makes 26-foot three point jumper (Fabricio Oberto assists)

3:00 78-98 Manu Ginobili makes free throw 1 of 2

2:46 80-100 Ime Udoka makes free throw 1 of 2

Game 5
10:18 Brent Barry makes 26-foot three point jumper (Manu Ginobili assists) 33-16

4:33 Tony Parker makes driving layup 42-26



3 different games (you're wrong about it being 2) with leads of 16 points and up.

[johngateswhiteley]

Gasol, Bynum, Odom, Walton.

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Parker, Manu, RJ, Hill.

Right now, not when you can ascertain the health of anybody, but this instant, what group would you choose, John?

i'd take parker, manu, jefferson and hill...continue.

[Culburn369]

Jefferson blows

& the Spurs fandom agreed with ya until you all pulled their pants down in front of everybody 4-1 and then only the one charter left central Florida for California after Game 5.

[DAF86]

Artest IMO has a low BB IQ, isn't very athletic (he's all strenght), he barely jumps anymore, is slow, and can't drible the ball.

[Culburn369]

i'd take parker, manu, jefferson and hill...continue.

Too late, John, I'm off on a tangent with your fellow Spursites. Perhaps another time.

[Culburn369]

Artest IMO has a low BB IQ, isn't very athletic (he's all strenght), he barely jumps anymore, is slow, and can't drible the ball.

Aside from the BB IQ being low you just described Duncan.

[DAF86]

That's only because the Mavs suckered punched ya 4-1 & then the Lakers went to 15.

Don't you have a thread to bump?

[benefactor]

& the Spurs fandom agreed with ya until you all pulled their pants down in front of everybody 4-1 and then only the one charter left central Florida for California after Game 5.

That's only because the Mavs suckered punched ya 4-1 & then the Lakers went to 15.

...just like saying things like "lol Spurs fan! You got handled by the Mavs in the first round last year think you can beat us now? lolololol!" is re ed. That doesn't stop them from continuing to do it though.

[DAF86]

Aside from the BB IQ being low you just described Duncan.

The difference beign that Duncan is a 7 footer bigman and Artest a wing. Besides the BB IQ is probably the most important aspect of all. And Duncan has better handles than Artest.

[Culburn369]

Don't you have a thread to bump?

Yes, but that can wait. You obviously still are in dire need of a comeuppance (the Mavs whipping that ass 4-1 notwithstanding) and I'm here to apply said comeuppance.

[mojorizen7]

Artest IMO has a low BB IQ, isn't very athletic (he's all strenght), he barely jumps anymore, is slow, and can't drible the ball.

Even so....
Shutdown defenders that aren't liabilities on offense are rare and at a premium in this league.

[johngateswhiteley]

The difference beign that Duncan is a 7 footer bigman and Artest a wing. Besides the BB IQ is probably the most important aspect of all. And Duncan has better handles than Artest.

if you are going to argue at least do it right.

not only is the difference IQ...but TD is one of the most skilled players in the league, head and shoulders above artest.

[Culburn369]

The difference beign that Duncan is a 7 footer bigman and Artest a wing. Besides the BB IQ is probably the most important aspect of all. And Duncan has better handles than Artest.

So, after chasing your elbow round your asshole you agree with me.

Thanks, DAF.

[sonic21]

Even so....
Shutdown defenders that aren't liabilities on offense are rare and at a premium in this league.

that was 5 years ago

[Culburn369]

if you are going to argue at least do it right.

not only is the difference IQ...but TD is one of the most skilled players in the league, head and shoulders above artest.

Poppy , pure & unadulterated style.

[johngateswhiteley]

Poppy , pure & unadulterated style.

hows that? you're talking about the best power forward (or damn near it) of all time vs. a good player.

[mojorizen7]

that was 5 years ago

Ok so if Artest is no longer a shutdown defender who in the league is?

[DAF86]

Even so....
Shutdown defenders that aren't liabilities on offense are rare and at a premium in this league.

Artest got torched by Kobe and Roy on the playoffs, he isn't a shutdown defender anymore. And IMO Artest IS a liability on offense. Or at least not as good as everyone thinks. Last season he averaged 17 pts on 15 fg attempts on 40% shooting, that's awful and he was even worst in the playoffs.