Ginobili

[Culburn369]

A normal person might react like that, although I think maybe a 4% bump in FG% might be more realistic, but this IS Artest we're talking about.

I'd be grateful if he just doesn't himself like Richmond, Murray, Meds and Vug and a host of others have. Or, literally cry like Hunter & Rider did.

Just first do no harm. Everything after that will be gravy.

[exstatic]

Dominate players such as Kobe and Gasol tend to carry their skill level at least until 35 years of age. Right now, Kobe and Gasol is the best one-two punch in the league, and have been for the past two seasons. No one is even close to that combo right now.

SGs who play above the rim don't last at an elite level until 35. He'll be very good, but right now he scores 35 with double teams. At that point, he'll be single covered doing about the same damage and his open team mates will all be covered with their own defenders. Believe me, it makes a huge difference. The Spurs were not able to exploit Diop's offensive weakness in 2006 against Dallas and he did a man's job of defending Duncan one on one. Duncan still put up a lot of points, but the 3 point shooters were never able to get untracked.

[exstatic]

I'd be grateful if he just doesn't himself like Richmond, Murray, Meds and Vug and a host of others have. Or, literally cry like Hunter & Rider did.

Just first do no harm. Everything after that will be gravy.

You may be expecting too much from Ron Ron. He really is nuts.

[djohn2oo8]

LMAO @ the Laker fans who think that just b/c Ron Ron is in L.A. now means that he won't play 1 on 1 basketball at any given moment......Just wait for it

[Culburn369]

but what did i give up?

Nothing, but, that hunk of logic you just tortured will never be the same. And how you got 10lbs of into that 5lb bag is beyond me & mine.

[johngateswhiteley]

Indeed. However, kobe was still competing for the mvp last year, and will so again. Kobe has just the right set of skills and work ethic to be very effective for 4-6 more years.

Duncan is a different case. He has tendinitis, which will only detereiorate with time. He is slow and can't jump. He is no longer the duncan of old......and without the duncan of old, the spurs are done. In 4 years, when Duncan is retired and parker has escaped into a bigger market, they will return to obscurity.

thx...now i don't have to watch this upcoming season.

[johngateswhiteley]

Nothing, but, that hunk of logic you just tortured will never be the same. And how you got 10lbs of into that 5lb bag is beyond me & mine.

i don't follow, but ok.

[Culburn369]

LMAO @ the Laker fans who think that just b/c Ron Ron is in L.A. now means that he won't play 1 on 1 basketball at any given moment......Just wait for it

I for one would welcome with open arms those maniacal bull rushes to the side of the rim Artest has perfomed at every stop along the way. Now of course I also welcomed Bynum Gasol and Odom across the front, but, Jackson was adamant in his comprehensive refusal, so, I ain't holdin' my breath for the bull rushes.

[Kevin Harlan]

Mangoo is overrated in the Spews community. Bowen was worth a of lot more to the Spews then Mangoo ever was. Injuries and suspensions to other teams were a of alot more important to the Spews than Mangoo was or is. Mangoo is a wild beast that runs around like one. Thank Duncan for giving him some more room to do this. He might be a true 6th man this year for the Spews.

ohhhh jack sommerset, with no regard for human life!

[TMTTRIO]

Manu's had a bad year and a half full of injuries but I don't think he's done. After he had the surgery and before we found out that he had that stress fracture he was starting to really become himself and have several 30 point games (even during the time of his stress fracture). He may be starting to decline but I think he has a few more years left. One thing I'm wondering is how his game is going to change. He's already started to rely more on his jumpshot. He's said recently that he wants to continue to work and improve on his jumpshot and knowing how these injuries have mentally affected him I think we'll see Manu becoming more and more of a jump shooter and less slashing to the basket.

[Culburn369]

He's said recently that he wants to continue to work and improve on his jumpshot and knowing how these injuries have mentally affected him I think we'll see Manu becoming more and more of a jump shooter and less slashing to the basket.

If that turns out to be reality, then he's not Manu. His caveat was his ability to impose his will on the oppoent, breaking them physically, while simultaneously destroying them mentally. It was in his eyes, the open contempt for his opponent, refusing to even acknowledge their physical presence in the midst of the chaos he'd just executed.

He.never.said.a.word.

It was gorgeous upon sight. Even this Lakers joyfully acknowledges that.

[TheManFromAcme]

Are you serious? The Spurs had a 20 point lead 4 times and the only time they held on to it was when Manu played well. The Spurs rotation that year needed Manu to pick up the scoring load and when he didn't the Spurs found themselves behind or with their lead lost. A healthy Manu in 2008 and the Spurs face the Celtics in the finals.

Getting into this rather late but I must ask;

I understand the "Spurs rotation needing Manu" bit what does it say OVERALL about a team that loses 20 point leads 4 times?

4 times?

I am just asking Phila.

[Dunc n Dave]

Shasta, forget it, you don't want a discussion, you want revenge. Revenge for the Lakers winning the le and you stuck with a MASH unit.

Tough beans.

Culburn avoiding answering the question, to save his ass...

[Dunc n Dave]

Dominate players such as Kobe and Gasol tend to carry their skill level at least until 35 years of age. Right now, Kobe and Gasol is the best one-two punch in the league, and have been for the past two seasons. No one is even close to that combo right now.

You gonna keep skating around the fact that you contradict yourself with this statement? And you are full of if you try to save your ass by saying Gasol is a dominant player and Duncan isn't...

Duncan's only 33, and was still ALL NBA 2nd Team PF. Where was Gasol if he's more dominant?

[Culburn369]

Culburn avoiding answering the question, to save his ass...

Please.

[Culburn369]

And you are full of if you try to save your ass by saying Gasol is a dominant player and Duncan isn't

I'll go half way...Duncan is not a dominant player any longer. Gasol is on the precipice of that dominant designation, but I can't declare it.

[Shastafarian]

I see the point you making but they never had a twenty point lead more than once. They had a 17 point lead, and all of the other games, they never even say the lead.

You either can't read or you just like lying.

Game 1
5:54 Tim Duncan makes 7-foot hook shot 65-45

Game 3
6:54 66-86 Brent Barry makes 26-foot three point jumper (Fabricio Oberto assists)

3:00 78-98 Manu Ginobili makes free throw 1 of 2

2:46 80-100 Ime Udoka makes free throw 1 of 2

Game 5
10:18 Brent Barry makes 26-foot three point jumper (Manu Ginobili assists) 33-16

4:33 Tony Parker makes driving layup 42-26



3 different games (you're wrong about it being 2) with leads of 16 points and up.

I'm leaning towards can't read.

[Culburn369]

You either can't read or you just like lying.

Pot meet kettle.

[Culburn369]

It's true, Shasta, you do look like a dunski, sonny.

[La Peace]

Well, do you think Bynum is coming back 100% healthy, OP? Most non laker fans don't care because they tend to assume he is just not going to be healthy. Which is completely acceptable, but I am not going around starting threads about it or how it "upsets me". Because it doesn't. What will happen will happen and I just hope my team is healthy.

And I used this example because the last two years they both have yielded the same results come season's end becaues of injury. Last two years Manu has either been out of the playoffs (09) or sucked horribly in the play offs because of injury (08). Same goes for Bynum just flip the years. When healthy they are both difference makers.

[Shastafarian]

Pot meet kettle.

I asked for a clarification since you said I was wrong. Never got it.

[Shastafarian]

Looks like you cant read. Your Spur brethren said in four games that you guys blew 20 point leads. Can you count?

I see the point you making but they never had a twenty point lead more than once. They had a 17 point lead, and all of the other games, they never even say the lead.

It's irrelevant what anyone else is saying. I corrected you once and you either ignored it or can't read.

It's true, Shasta, you do look like a dunski, sonny.

Says the Laker fan on a Spurs fan forum.

[Culburn369]

Says the Laker fan on a Spurs fan forum.

Horse . It's the NBA Forum. I wouldn't be caught dead in the Spurs fan area of this site.

[anakha]

What was the point of all this arguing again?

[Shastafarian]

Please.