New Mavs are the old Suns

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Of course you are a mav fan, what would you know about Defense.

These types of comments are re ed....why the would being a Mavs fan make it so he doesn't know what defense is?

[BUMP]

These types of comments are re ed....why the would being a Mavs fan make it so he doesn't know what defense is?

The NBA team that you root for directly effects your knowledge and skill for the game.

Didn't you know?

[hater]

These types of comments are re ed....why the would being a Mavs fan make it so he doesn't know what defense is?

A Defensive minded team adopts a Defensive philosophy. A great defensive team has years of this philosophy. This is so instill that even the fans adopt and learn this philosophy. This philosophy among many other things makes you observe the defensive side of the game and value players for their Defensive skill.

but what would you know, you are a Suns fan

[Findog]

the only similarity I see from these Mavs and Suns is that their best player plays no defense. Teams built like that will never win anything more than a meaningless Conference le.

Dirk is a decent defender. He's not Bill Russell in his prime, but he's a cut above Amare or Nash on D.

[Findog]

Rick Carlisle would NEVER have a Sun-like defenseless run-and-gun team. He would sooner commit suicide.

The Mavs were mediocre defensively last year. We were terrible at the beginning of the season and made strides towards the end. In any event, far from the Matador D the Suns play.

[BUMP]

Well i guess Bowen, Battier, Ben Wallace must've gotten all their defensive knowledge by rooting for the Bulls growing up?

It all makes sense now

[ElNono]

Dirk is a decent defender. He's not Bill Russell in his prime, but he's a cut above Amare or Nash on D.

IOW, sometimes he actually tries.

[hater]

Dirk is a decent defender. He's not Bill Russell in his prime, but he's a cut above Amare or Nash on D.

Dirk was a ty defender until around 2005. Yes he has gotten better and actually tries now. No doubt he is above Nash/Amare.

That being said he is still an average defender at best. If Dirk had been an above average defender, Mavs would probably have at least 1 trophy if not more.

[pawe]

I think Suns' style would be the best for this core of Mavs players but I don't see Carlise using it.

I'd like to see a line-up of:

Kidd
Terry
Howard
Marion
Nowitzki

Dirk would be D'antoni's dream center.

Pop will pull his nose hairs out when he plays against that lineup.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

A Defensive minded team adopts a Defensive philosophy. A great defensive team has years of this philosophy. This is so instill that even the fans adopt and learn this philosophy. This philosophy among many other things makes you observe the defensive side of the game and value players for their Defensive skill.

but what would you know, you are a Suns fan

It's always funny when Spurfan posts something identical to what the troll Ignorant Spurs fan would post.

And you being a Spurs fan doesn't mean you know more about defense than I do. That's some of the most pompous, ridiculous, and re ed logic ever.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

The NBA team that you root for directly effects your knowledge and skill for the game.

My bad. I didn't know this. I guess I don't know what defense is.

NASH FOR DEFENSIVE PLAYER OF THE YEAR!!!

AMARE FIRST TEAM ALL DEFENSE!!!!

[da_suns_fan]

Dirk is a decent defender. He's not Bill Russell in his prime, but he's a cut above Amare or Nash on D.

Put down the kool-aid.

Dirk is a gifted shooter, but youre lying to yourself about his defense. That guy cant guard anybody and isnt a good help defender either.

[dirk4mvp]

Cream on the inside

[dirk4mvp]

clean on the outside

[dirk4mvp]

ice cream paint job

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Wtf Dirk4mvp? That's my facebook status right now?!?!?!?!?!

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

[dirk4mvp]

neat song

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

So I guess in 2000 and 2001 (the first two years I was old enough to understand basketball), I was a defensive expert because at the time the Suns were a great defensive team. I might have been a newbie basketball fan, but the fact I cheered for a great defensive team made me a defensive know-it-all.

Now, 8 years later, even though I've watched close to 1,000 basketball games since then, have played in countless amounts of pickup games since then, my knowledge of defense has actually spiraled downward because the team I cheer for has been a bad defensive team for several years.

Oh, and in addition, even though I was watching the same nationally televised playoff games Lakers, Pistons, Spurs, Heat and Celtics fans were watching, they know a lot more about winning championships than me because they were watching AND cheering for the champion, while I was merely just watching it.

[Findog]

Now, 8 years later, even though I've watched close to 1,000 basketball games since then, have played in countless amounts of pickup games since then, my knowledge of defense has actually spiraled downward because the team I cheer for has been a bad defensive team for several years.

There's a significant chunk of the Spurs fanbase that likes to pull the 4 rings card as some sort of appeal to their authority., i.e "I root for a team that has won 4 championships, so I know what I'm talking about more than you."

[Findog]

Put down the kool-aid.

Dirk is a gifted shooter, but youre lying to yourself about his defense. That guy cant guard anybody and isnt a good help defender either.

This comment would've been true in 2004. You obviously haven't watched Dirk play since then. Nothing more need be said.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

There's a significant chunk of the Spurs fanbase that likes to pull the 4 rings card as some sort of appeal to their authority., i.e "I root for a team that has won 4 championships, so I know what I'm talking about more than you."

Even though the fan himself has just as many rings as the suns/mavs fan he's arguing with.

[Phillip]

the only similarity I see from these Mavs and Suns is that their best player plays no defense. Teams built like that will never win anything more than a meaningless Conference le.

lol magic johnson

lol larry bird

lol 8 les between them

lol both god-awful defenders

[Ghazi]

What?

Not out of the question... adding Marion is a + for defense/rebounding, God willing we have a healthy and motivated (contract year) J-Ho... and hopefully the guys in blue cut out those weird games like 99-134 v Milwaukee and 97-121 v New Jersey and other bizarre blowout losses which tilt the defensive efficiency negatively in a big way, even if 1 game samples... so yes, top 10 is feasible. Keep in mind Charlotte/New Orleans/Denver/Portland were top 10 teams from efficiency standpoint and I wouldn't really consider them THAT great defensively... also Mavs were top 10 from 05-07 and weren't shutdown caliber either.

[dirk4mvp]

lol magic johnson

lol larry bird

lol 8 les between them

lol both god-awful defenders

No they weren't.