New Mavs are the old Suns

[Muser]

lol magic johnson

lol larry bird

lol 8 les between them

lol both god-awful defenders

[in2deep]

Bird n Magic were both above average defenders. Way better than Dirk

[Muser]

Dirks D is underrated on this board, he's no prime Ben Wallace but he's not the huge liability that people are saying.

[in2deep]

Dirks D is underrated on this board, he's no prime Ben Wallace but he's not the huge liability that people are saying.

u crazy.

Dirk is a 7 footer that DOES NOT HELP on D. I have never, ever seen him block a shot.

[dirk4mvp]

u crazy.

Dirk is a 7 footer that DOES NOT HELP on D. I have never, ever seen him block a shot.

You've never seen the Mavericks play or are re ed. Both maybe.

[Ghazi]

u crazy.

Dirk is a 7 footer that DOES NOT HELP on D. I have never, ever seen him block a shot.

here u go mate!

[Muser]

u crazy.

Dirk is a 7 footer that DOES NOT HELP on D. I have never, ever seen him block a shot.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

u crazy.

Dirk is a 7 footer that DOES NOT HELP on D. I have never, ever seen him block a shot.

Um, he averages a block a game, either way it doesn't even matter. Blocking a lot of shots has a lot more to do with good athleticism than good defense.

[in2deep]

show me a Dirk block in a game that matters?

Bonner plays tougher D than Dirk

[Muser]

show me a Dirk block in a game that matters?

Bonner plays tougher D than Dirk

A playoff game doesn't matter?

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

show me a Dirk block in a game that matters?

At first it was, "I've never seen Dirk block a shot ever."

Now it's, "I've never seen Dirk block a shot in a game that matters."



I wonder what's next.

[da_suns_fan]

This comment would've been true in 2004. You obviously haven't watched Dirk play since then. Nothing more need be said.

Except maybe that every statistical category that exists suggests the Dirk Nowitzki is a poor defender and has been since 2004.

He doesnt block shots, rebound, or even bother people with his length the way Duncan, KG or even Lamar Odom do.

As for Amare Stoudemire, at least he has the occasional big block night. Steve Nash actually led the NBA in charges taken one year, IIRC. At least they do SOMETHING.

Dirk Nowitzki is green light to hole. PERIOD.

[Muser]

A Suns fan trash talking about no D

[da_suns_fan]

Um, he averages a block a game, either way it doesn't even matter. Blocking a lot of shots has a lot more to do with good athleticism than good defense.

Since when does 0.8 = 1?

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/player...e?playerId=609

FAIL.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Steve Nash actually led the NBA in charges taken one year, IIRC.

Anyone who thinks that matters is re ed.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Since when does 0.8 = 1?

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/player...e?playerId=609

FAIL.

I wasn't aware we were only talking about last season.

[da_suns_fan]

A Suns fan trash talking about no D

Dont get me wrong. Amare Stoudemire is one of the worst defenders (if not the worst) in the league. But Dirk is right up there with him.

Ive seen too many games with (insert Phoenix forward here) lighting him up with finesse.

[Ghazi]

Except maybe that every statistical category that exists suggests the Dirk Nowitzki is a poor defender and has been since 2004.

He doesnt block shots, rebound, or even bother people with his length the way Duncan, KG or even Lamar Odom do.

As for Amare Stoudemire, at least he has the occasional big block night. Steve Nash actually led the NBA in charges taken one year, IIRC. At least they do SOMETHING.

Dirk Nowitzki is green light to hole. PERIOD.

Actually, if we're gonna bring statistics into this, Dirk's adjusted +/-, on/off stats, DEFENSIVE rebound rate, rate of blocks even... and PER of opposing front lines over the past 3-4 years would suggest he is an above average defender.

Just sayin... too lazy to look all that up though. of course his lateral quickness, or lack thereof, will always create some problems but still not a defensive liability to the degree of Nash or Redd or Curry or I dunno whoevers a bad defender in this league IMO IMHO FWIW.

[da_suns_fan]

Anyone who thinks that matters is re ed.

WTF?

Because using footwork and anticipation to position yourself to take charges and cause turnovers doesnt matter?!!

Moron.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Blocks, charges taken, steals. All three are overrated stats. A PG getting his career high against Nash being a constantly re-occurring event matters a lot more.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

WTF?

Because using footwork and anticipation to position yourself to take charges and cause turnovers doesnt matter?!!

Moron.

No, because for every time Nash takes a charge there are 6-7 times where the player drives right by Nash while he's gambling by trying to draw a charge.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Good defenses aren't ones that force a lot of turnovers, they hold their opponent to a low shooting percentage and limit offensive rebounds.

[da_suns_fan]

Actually, if we're gonna bring statistics into this, Dirk's adjusted +/-, on/off stats, DEFENSIVE rebound rate, rate of blocks even... and PER of opposing front lines over the past 3-4 years would suggest he is an above average defender.

Just sayin... too lazy to look all that up though. of course his lateral quickness, or lack thereof, will always create some problems but still not a defensive liability to the degree of Nash or Redd or Curry or I dunno whoevers a bad defender in this league IMO IMHO FWIW.

You'll have to show me these stats (from 82games.com or wherever) to convince me.

Among power forwards last year, he was 15th in the league in defensive reboud rate. 36th overrall. And if you think thats a good indicator of defense, consider he is behind Shaquille Oneal:

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/holli...seasonType%3d2

[da_suns_fan]

Blocks, charges taken, steals. All three are overrated stats. A PG getting his career high against Nash being a constantly re-occurring event matters a lot more.

I can remember Tony Parker gettig a career high.

Who else?

[spurs_fan_in_exile]

Good defenses aren't ones that force a lot of turnovers, they hold their opponent to a low shooting percentage and limit offensive rebounds.

How did a Suns fan discover our secret? It was that son of a Sean Marks that told you, wasn't it?!?!? We're doomed!