New Mavs are the old Suns

[Ghazi]

Yooo like I said, above average . 15th even fi unimpressive still cons utes above average rebounding.


off topic, I didnt know Troy Murphy was that damn good at rebounding.

[Findog]

As for Amare Stoudemire, at least he has the occasional big block night. Steve Nash actually led the NBA in charges taken one year, IIRC. At least they do SOMETHING.

You can't be taken seriously if you think Nash and Amare are better defenders than Dirk. Nash does not have the lateral quickness to stay in front of anybody, and Amare simply refuses to play D. Yeah, he'll get the occasional blocked shot so he can get on SportsCenter, but he has no clue on D. Dirk will rotate and follow his defensive assignment; Amare just stands there half the time.

Dirk is not a very good on the ball defender, but he has become a good help defender and has become a very good positional defender at playing angles. I didn't say he was Bill Russell or Ben Wallace in their primes, just that he's made strides and is no longer a huge gaping liability on D. Nash and Amare play on one side of the court only. Ask any coach or GM and they'll tell you that Dirk has much more impact on D than either of your two favorite players.

[Findog]

Dont get me wrong. Amare Stoudemire is one of the worst defenders (if not the worst) in the league. But Dirk is right up there with him.

Nope. Dirk is a cut above Amare on Defense.

Ive seen too many games with (insert Phoenix forward here) lighting him up with finesse.

Dirk can't guard Tim Duncan, Dwight Howard or Amare Stoudemire. Point of fact is, nobody can. Dirk will get into foul trouble if you stick him on the first two, but the Mavs are not the only team that will try to spare their best player a challenging defensive assignment.

[Findog]

WTF?

Because using footwork and anticipation to position yourself to take charges and cause turnovers doesnt matter?!!

Moron.

If you're trying to argue that Steve Nash is anything other than terrible on defense, then it's pointless to argue any further with you. Agree to disagree.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

I can remember Tony Parker gettig a career high.

Who else?

Just off the top of my head I can remember Aaron Brooks, Rajon Rondo and Devin Harris from last season.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Also I'm not sure if it's a career high but possibly Russell Westbrook.

[BUMP]

Monta Ellis had a career high against Nash which has since been broken

Off topic but look at Ellis' wikipedia page and scroll down to the last sentence under 2007-08 season highlights

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monta_Ellis

[ElNono]

Nope. Dirk is a cut above Amare on Defense.

Agreed.

Dirk can't guard Tim Duncan, Dwight Howard or Amare Stoudemire. Point of fact is, nobody can. Dirk will get into foul trouble if you stick him on the first two, but the Mavs are not the only team that will try to spare their best player a challenging defensive assignment.

Dirk can't guard Matt freaking Barnes. That guy got a name and a juicy contract by just posterizing Dirk in Dallas.

[Amaso]

Parker is our 3rd best player if you consider the defensive side. Of course you are a mav fan, what would you know about Defense. I'll let it go this time

Parker as the 3rd best player? You must me out your damn mind son. He's probably the Spurs best player in this point of his career. You can't actually believe Ginobli is any better than Parker at defense.

[in2deep]

Nope. Dirk is a cut above Amare on Defense.

that don't mean . Bonner is a cut above Amare on Defense

[BUMP]

The stupidity in this thread is so high it might cause me to faint

[in2deep]

Parker as the 3rd best player? You must me out your damn mind son. He's probably the Spurs best player in this point of his career. You can't actually believe Ginobli is any better than Parker at defense.

Manu is now the team's #2 defender behind Duncan. We'll have to wait and see how RJ responds.

[anakha]

You can't actually believe Ginobli is any better than Parker at defense.

[Findog]

that don't mean . Bonner is a cut above Amare on Defense

Bonner is a spare. Mediocre defense, below-average offense.

Dirk is an elite offensive player and an average defender. It makes a world of difference in terms of his overall effectiveness.

Gawd, do they have schools in San Antonio?

[in2deep]

Bonner is a spare. Mediocre defense, below-average offense.

Dirk is an elite offensive player and an average defender. It makes a world of difference in terms of his overall effectiveness.

Gawd, do they have schools in San Antonio?

mediocre [mee-dee-oak-er, mee-dee-ok-rit-ee]
Adjective
not very high quality; average or second rate

at talking about schools. Looks like someone needs to go back to Dallas great schools

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Career highs set against Nash last season:

Devin Harris
Rajon Rondo
Mo Williams

Career highs set against Nash this season that were broken later on in the season or playoffs:

Aaron Brooks
Russell Westbrook
JJ Barea

Players who didn't have career highs against Nash last year but did have season highs:

Steve Blake
Brevin Knight



The fact all three players who set career highs against Nash are in the Eastern conference is even worse. Simple odds say you're more likely to set a career high against someone you play four times a year as oppose to someone you play twice a year. Nash's D is so bad simple probability is irrelevant.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Parker as the 3rd best player?You can't actually believe Ginobli is any better than Parker at defense.

When healthy, Ginobili is an above average, underrated defender. Parker is average at best.

[Findog]

mediocre [mee-dee-oak-er, mee-dee-ok-rit-ee]
Adjective
not very high quality; average or second rate

at talking about schools. Looks like someone needs to go back to Dallas great schools

If you have trouble understanding why Dirk is a better player than Matt Bonner, I can't help you.

[in2deep]

If you have trouble understanding why Dirk is a better player than Matt Bonner, I can't help you.

If you are having trouble understanding that I said Bonner is a cut above Amare on Defense, I can't help you.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Has a player on the team playing Dallas ever said during a timeout, "Just give the ball to whoever Dirk is guarding!"?

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

If you are having trouble understanding that I said Bonner is a cut above Amare on Defense, I can't help you.

If that's what you said then I personally agree. The amount of offensive rebounds Amare gives up is insane.

[Muser]

If you are having trouble understanding that I said Bonner is a cut above Amare on Defense, I can't help you.

No he's really not, at least Amare can go on a big block night. Bonner just stands there like a stick.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

But hey, giving up 47 points to Devin Harris doesn't matter when you take 2-3 charges a game

[Ghazi]

Has a player on the team playing Dallas ever said during a timeout, "Just give the ball to whoever Dirk is guarding!"?

Interesting that you mention this, because I don't really recall many moments from the regular season where Dirk's man was lighting him up... maybe its just my memory though. Nenad Kristic of OKC is one I remember though .... Charlie V had a few good games against the Mavs as well.

[Findog]

If you are having trouble understanding that I said Bonner is a cut above Amare on Defense, I can't help you.

I actually don't care what you say. I don't recall asking for your opinion and nothing you've posted is enlightening or makes me want to read more.