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I think with the last book being in two movies that obviously some of book six will blend into the early part of the next movie and that they think two movies is plenty enough to develop further the relationship between Harry and Ginny.
I don't understand why people are getting upset about the romantic exploits angle. Lavender/Ron/Hermione was an enormous part of the book, much of the conflict and development between Ron and Hermione happens as a result of that triangle. Ditto for Harry and Ginny - I actually thought they could have used some more Dean to show how Harry was getting jealous, as in the book, rather than the "sees Ginny in the window and apparently loves her after hitting on some chick in the tunnels" thing.
Agree with you on the latter part - I assume they wanted Harry to choose in trusting Snape, who then commits an even more heinous betrayal. It sort of made Harry look like a puss, unfortunately.
I think with the last book being in two movies that obviously some of book six will blend into the early part of the next movie and that they think two movies is plenty enough to develop further the relationship between Harry and Ginny.
Ok... here is my definitive review. Overall - I was largely impressed with the movie. Ron Weasley and Dumbledore when acting into the angst of the internal drama of the metaphores as pertaining to Akaban. The true emphasis of the magic and Order of the Phoenix is truly enlightened in the subtext of Hermione. Is she, or isn't she? Onle Snape can remorse over the Half Blood Prince's owl. When looking into the Paramore of Quiditch, one can see where are my pants? By that, and only then, will the Weasley brothers lament in the true content of the original script. As one can easily see, Hogwarts, Like life, is not only naked, but screaming over the wizardry of the last Potter.
I'm really curious to see how they do that without the wedding. I mean, I can sort of see more development, but doesn't it depend on how soon they leave for the Horcrux hunt? Because Harry breaks up with Ginny before the end of HBP - they have a few weeks together and then he tries to keep her out of danger.
They only have that one moment on his birthday in book 7, then JKR completely shunts her aside and forgets about her until the very end, when she is what Harry thinks of when he lets Voldemort attack.
The meat of their romance was in HBP. I could have done with far less Lavender (though I enjoyed it immensely on screen) and far more Harry and Ginny.
Take with heaping helpings of salt of course, because that has always been one of my favorite aspects (at least once Sirius was whacked), and remains my favorite aspect in fanfic.
Along these lines though - I sort of thought that in lieu of a Burrow wedding of Bill and Fleur, we might see a Tonks/Remus wedding instead. If they want to include the wedding (which . . . they have to get that info in there somewhere, and when I heard they were splitting Deathly Hallows into 2 movies, I assumed it was specifically to spend time with this, since so much of the book can be illustrated via montage on screen).
I hereby dub thee the Kill Bill Rowling.
Remus/Tonks...Unfortunately, right now we are left with the impression that they are already married. They weren't even supposed to be together until the end of HBP. And the state of their marriage (and how it was obtained) is definitely a major player in the plot development in the book (although the actual amount of screen time would have been small).
Horcruxes...None of the other memories dealing with what Riddle might have used as a Horcrux were dealt with. Now, it's possible that they might handle this through flashbacks, thus shortening the possibility of DH1 becoming "Harry Potter and the Really Long Camping Trip"...but that seems (to me) to be a clumsy way to handle it.
Ginny...The fact that Harry "dumped" her...even temporarily...is (I agree with you) an important part of the plot. I am as dumbfounded as you are as to how they are going to piece this back together.
Another puzzler (not a big one, but still)...the current breakpoint between DH1 and DH2 is projected to be after H/R/H are captured by the Snatchers. But...after a chase?
Right. I just don't know how (or where, for that matter) they are going to pull off this first part of the book. I can see the leaving Privet Drive scene - but they regather at the Burrow. Where the are the Weasleys going to be living? So confused by that. And the information about the Deathly Hallows and to some extent about Dumbledore (if they are going to keep JKR's trashing of the mythic hero/mentor so the protege can grow into his own, which I disliked in the book - actually, I've come to dislike most of DH as a story, lol) comes out there, as well as the plans for the Long Camping Trip. . . I just don't see how the first half the movie can play out or come together.
True. The Horcrux Hunt was bad enough knowing the few bits they knew - Hufflepuff's cup, the locket, the diary, the ring, something of Ravenclaw's or Gryffindor's, the snake . . . Now what do they do? Maybe there will be more studying or a message from Dumbledore explaining (or maybe he'll just leave Harry the pensieve and the memories).
I'm still baffled as to how DH is split in two - if anything, I thought OotP or HBP were more likely candidates, because so much of DH seemed relatively easy to condense or film in 2 hours. Especially since so much of the story details were sacrificed in OotP and now HBP. Like - what is the point in bringing Dobby back at all? You can do a shorter Snatcher scene, because Dobby hasn't existed since movie 2.
I had no idea that was where the break was expected to be. I'm so puzzled by that. I thought it would take place either after Ron leaves or after the confrontation in Godric's Hollow. Those seemed like natural half-way points to me - everything looking bleak, Harry standing practically on his own, with no clue where to turn next, and now his wand is broken. . .
But I could see it being right after Ron returns, which is right before the Snatchers, but the Snatcher scene . . . what is next after that? It all speeds up to the big ending from there. They go to S Cottage, plot and plan, then the Gringotts escapade and from there to Hogwarts in nearly the same night, right? Or the next day? It's very close. Then the battle, then the end.
How is that a 2 hour movie?
Meh.
But on a positive note for the HBP movie, I loved loved loved what they did with Malfoy's character as a reluctant Death Eater. Crying over the bird - loved it.
I also thought the natural break would have been right after Ron left...or even better, after Harry and Hermione moved on right after Ron left (picture Hermione sitting on the rock crying, Harry doing the big circle, fade to black and "To be continued..."). But when I read about the current breakpoint, I looked at the book again...and the Ron split actually occurs pretty early. Well before the half-way point.
As far as what's left after the Snatchers scene...actually there's a lot they could put in there. Besides there being lots of action at Hogwarts, there's also the Pensieve scene with Snape's memory, the walk into the forest, the dream sequence at King's Cross...I can see those three taking up half an hour minimum...and of course those scenes require some build-up...
I also know they're doing the epilogue...but I don't know how long they'll make it. I do know they are going to use the original actors and "age" them rather than bring in closely-resembling adults.
Malfoy...that thought crossed my mind, but after a while I rejected it. Personally I feel it's more he's finally facing the fact he could die if he doesn't figure that cabinet out.
Ok, I can sort of see that. If Snape's memories take awhile - and since the only scene I still love from DH is the death/King's Cross scene I want them to do it justice, I can see that.
I had the same image of the ending for DH 1 - and thought that if they were going to take the time to split it in two, it made for a natural ending point and allowed more exposition in the first half (which seems more important than ever now that they have NO IDEA what they are searching for . . .).
I'm sure the entire Deathly Hallows will need explanation, though JKR did a poor enough job in the book (seriously - it's not love or some other driving, overarching force that saves Harry and is the power he knows not - it's dubious wandlore that is not ever really mentioned before that point? And he doesn't even unite the Deathly Hallows in a meaningful way, he just ends up weirdly possessing them in a way that you could drive a Mac truck through the plot holes and lack of explanation) that the movie shouldn't have to worry over too many details.
And they'll play up the Gringott's scene a lot and probably try to really eke out the emotions with the deaths in the battle (don't get me started on killing who she killed. Get it, still hate it - and still angry over some of them).
The epilogue shouldn't take that much time on film though. I think the movies will redeem themselves to some extent if they include the scene JKR left out, which is the reunion of Harry and Ginny. . .
I thought the way they tied it together with Malfoy at the end, looking on in horror as Bellatrix destroyed the Great Hall was awesome. I suppose an argument could be made that he's just scared because he didn't complete his task himself, but I thought Tom Felton played it more like he was in over his head and just realizing it, which could tie in nicely for the DH and the epilogue.
I'm with you on the Hallows stuff...that part seemed to be the proverbial square peg.
They have to play up the Harry/Ginny relationship...it's been given such short shrift so far. And yeah, I think the "reunion" should have been in the book, instead of that wimpy "they might have hours, days, maybe even years in which to talk..." AAARRRGGGHHH!!
Hmmmmm...you have a point about Malfoy at the end. At least by that point, yeah, he could be feeling just how deep he is in the . (But I'm not changing my mind about the bird...
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Ron's Return: If nothing else gets right, I want this done correctly. Ron is my favorite character and has been for ten years. I feel that people really kind of lost sight of Ron and who he was leading up to DH. I really think many fans only thought of him as the goofy side-kick who wasn't good for much.
I loved Ron's return as well. He really grew up then. I think Rupert Grint does a good great job with Ron. Much better than Emma Watson with Hermione, anyway (though like I said earlier, I didn't want to kill her this time, so thumbs up for that).
The other thing I liked about this movie was the Quidditch. I thought that was fun, and better than expected.
But back to things I hated/that were left out - I think the fact that you don't see Neville really at all in this one is going to make his transformation at the end harder to buy. It's such a gradual change up to the fifth book, where he really gets motivated and starts growing to being right there in the Dept of Mysteries and making a stand at the school against the Death Eaters. I think taking on a leadership role against the the Death Eaters in DH will be harder to understand without that formative period of fighting back in HBP.
emma watson's acting was awful in Goblet of Fire. She got better though.
I thought she was worse in OotP. It's like she thought acting meant 'furrow your brow and overenunciate, then you'll seem serious and concerned' -ugh. What's worse is that she's studied acting at prestigious British schools. She should be better than she is, she was clearly overthinking and overacting.
well i haven't seen Order yet so i trust you on this.
Her bouncing eyebrows in OotP drove me to distraction. Fortunately it looks like someone slapped her so hard prior to HBP that her forehead muscles were paralyzed...
As far as dialogue goes, I suspect she was over-directed in OotP. She wasn't the only one suffering in that respect.
One of her best scenes in OotP was when they were all sitting in the common room after Harry kissed Cho. They were all apparently just screwing around and being silly and the director kept the cut because he thought it was more natural - and it was. For a brief minute, she seemed like a high school age girl with two clueless boys for best friends, and not An Actress Trying To Nail The Scene.
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