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Pardon? I sure hope this is some kind of a joke.
I'd have to say that @ $22mil a year a player needs to be more than a basketball player for a franchise. LeBron, Kobe and Howard are probably the only players who provide the "on court" and "off court" value.
Whilst Duncan provides as much value as any other player on the court, he doesn't provide as much value for the organisation off it.
Pardon? I sure hope this is some kind of a joke.
Does any athlete truly "deserve" to make more money than the combined salaries of the president, the senate, and a team of surgeons who save thousands of lives each year? Probably not. But in relative terms, Duncan has earned his pay as one of the greatest players on earth, and even if he might be slightly overpaid in his last few seasons, he was underpaid in his first few, so it all balances out.
This.
There are people dying in the world who can barely earn more than a dollar a week and people are getting paid this amount of money, pathetic.
This is what Billups said regarding Max players before we resigned him in 2007
Question: Do you feel you are a “max salary” player?
Chauncey: I can’t really answer that. I don’t really think so, because I think there are only about five or six max players in the league. But there are about 15 guys making that. So it depends. If it’s me, I say no. But if you’re paying guys the way you’re paying some guys that really don’t deserve it, then I think I’m definitely worthy.
Tim Duncan has earned more than his take-home for Peter Holt and the ownership group. He sells jerseys, tickets and goddamn ice cream to the locals in San Antonio. Duncan deserves to get a piece of the team -- like upwards of 20% ownership.
In Hollywood, actors, directors and producers get a piece of the pie. The fact that Timmy is on the payroll is ludicrous. There are a handful of players who should own a piece of the team they played for -- Michael Jordan, Larry Bird, Magic Johnson, Karl Malone and John Stockton, Wilt Chamberlain and Tim Duncan. I'd consider guys like Reggie Miller, Patrick Ewing and Isiah Thomas to be in that group, too...just for what they meant to their team and city. LeBron is close to joining that group. And I'm sure the Lakers would have found another route without Kobe, but he's there, too.
Tim Duncan's 5th ring should cost $22 million. The city, the ownership and the fans are off-the-charts lucky to have him...and he took a pay-cut to stay and win more.
You are Portuguese.
No . The world is a ed up place, but that is not the issue.
The issue is what % of earnings from the NBA go to the players, and what % of those earnings go to each player. Would you rather he be paid $200,000 and the ultra-rich who own the teams take the rest? Or would you like all the players to be paid the same, regardless of talent? Of course you wouldn't. The players currently get 57% of league income, and to me that makes sense - no players, no league.
Decry the world, sure, it deserves to be pilloried, but don't pretend that's what is actually being discussed in this thread.
I agree with you to a point, but another angle could be that maybe it shouldn't cost a genuine fan a week's salary or more to bring his family to a game where tickets are extremely expensive, hot dogs are $5 and tiny little ice creams are $4, etc... I've been to the NBA store in NYC a couple of times but rarely buy anything because the prices are crazy and I can easily buy the same things on ebay for so much less. I was really excited when I saw a Willis Reed college jersey from Grambling until I looked at the price tag-- $129.
Yup, can't disagree with that. But for that to happen both owners and players would have to accept a smaller share of the world's loot, and that is unlikely.
However, it is the same for every "industry" in the world, given that the core tennet of our economic system is infinite growth... of everything! Everyone (including the NBA) is striving for more money or more stuff or a bigger slice of an ever-expanding pie, completely ignoring the fact that we live in a finite world. See, the pie can't expand forever, and I just hope that when it has ceased puffing up, it chars a little around the edges rather than imploding in spontaneous combustion.
"Sustainability" is a mere catchphrase and is not being enacted in the world in any real sense yet. Thus, the salaries grow and you pay $5 for a hotdog.
That there is systematic human ecology!
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In a league where BILLIONS are raked in every year, elite winning players certainly DO deserve $22M or whatever they can get. Unfortunately for the handful that do deserve it, you have many other non elite, non winning players who get it and piss everyone off, but to say no one deserves it is just foolishness.
Fox News... enough said.
pwned, fox news really sucks. The only program I don't dislike on that channel is just the Brian&the judge in every weekday morning, though it's pretty clear dudes' political views are both pretty childish.
Do I think he deserves it? ya, before Tim, the Spurs were always the bridesmaid and never the bride. My heart would get broken almost every summer as they would lose out to the Jazz, Suns, etc, etc... Now the market rate for him may have diminished because of his knees, but without him we would not have had any hardware... In my opinion, now, Kobe is probably the only one who is worth that kind of money, proven winner, still young healthy. Well maybe Lebron because he sells tickets, but hasn't won anything yet, championships. Players cost what their perspective teams; other teams are willing to pay. A lot of them seem overpaid, but with a Tim Duncan you get a leader, unselfish, no headaches and dedication. Not too mention his best effort. That's got to be worth something too, but should be a given when you are paid to play. (unfortunately).
yeah, Fox news is the most pathetic news channel. It's just sad to watch the ing.
First of All,
The Fox Sports website is weak. I've never heard of the guy writing this article. However, to equate this site to Fox News in general is ignorant.
MSNBC employs a bunch of looney left creeps (especially Mathews, Olbermann, and Madcow Maddow). Unwatchable garbage. Of course Fox News is more conservative friendly, because other network and cable outfits are not.
Back to basketball,
1) Why is it that Kevin Garnett seems to garner more respect than Tim Duncan even though he is essentially a failure when it comes to ultimate success? I would argue that Paul Pierce and Ray Allen and a strong roster bailed him out in 08. KG is the same age as Duncan and just coming off knee surgery while TD gutted it out last year and played through the season. Before his knee issue late in the season, TD was playing very well. And yet, the KG lapdog feels he is worth a max contract and Duncan is not? Dumb.
2) Kobe Bryant will be 31 years old at the start of this year with 3 to 3 1/2 more seasons of wear and tear on his knees than other players his same age. The decline is coming soon.
Last edited by Harry Callahan; 07-28-2009 at 10:47 AM.
Last Time I checked Duncan Has 4 rings....... Shaq Has 4 Rings........ And your Telling me shaq Isnt Overpaid??? Both of these Guys Paid there Dues, and they are both Still 2 of the best Bigs In the Game...... They Deserve whats Comin to them they Carried the league from 1999 to 2007......
The owner of anything is the person who takes the financial risk to invest in it, to borrow money for it, and to pay the price if it fails or suffers hardships. Hence, they deserve the right to make alot more than the employee who risked nothing. Many of these owners earned their money working a lot harder than the players who play for the basketball teams. Most of these players work a few hours a day whether at practice on non-game days or shootaround and the game on games days. Their season lasts 7 months to 9 months depending on if they make the play-offs and they can have a long summer every year. They get paid ridiculous amounts of money for playing a game where you try to put a ball in a basket and prevent the other team from doing so. Even a minimum contract player makes more than most physicians who spent 4 years in college, 4 years in medical school, and 3 to 7 years in residency (often working over 100 hours/week) all while possibly racking up over $100,000 or more in debt just to go to school. And he or she does not even start earning that salary until the age of 30 or so. So no one deserves $22M a year for playing a game.The issue is what % of earnings from the NBA go to the players, and what % of those earnings go to each player. Would you rather he be paid $200,000 and the ultra-rich who own the teams take the rest?
Well such is life, your logic is correct but it's not how things work in real life. IMO these guys deserve their money, just like actors do and other similar professions. It's true they don't have the responsibility of a heart surgeon for example, but these guys generate so much income with their personality/play/charm/etc. that they totally deserve what they make. There are many who have failed to get there and no one can claim it's more difficult to become a good doctor than to become an NBA player or a great actor.
Everyone is, or should be, fully aware of what their education could bring them down the line. I work as a programmer, don't make nearly as much as a min NBA player, and while I consider myself smarter than your average NBA player, I can't say I deserve more than them because I don't see millions of people turning up to watch me work in my office every day and pay good money for this on top of it.
There is an elephant in the room... or should I say a Shaq in the room.... talk about overpaid.
watch thunder games.
the better teams will attack durant on defense. he's that bad.
San Antonio isn't LA or Orlando. Duncan does just fine here.
One more thing, someone definitely correct I am wrong, the difference between Duncan and many of his contemporaries is if he was banking millions more than he was worth on the court he would restructure his contract to help the team in his twilight. I think Duncan is far more loyal than a lot of his fellow players. That is why next off season is so hyped up. I can't remember when Jordan, Bird, Magic, Ewing, or even Robinson were ever free agents. I know David was in 95 (6 yr./66 mil) and 01 (2 yr./20 mil), but it wasn't because he was threatening to leave.
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