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    No . The world is a ed up place, but that is not the issue.

    The issue is what % of earnings from the NBA go to the players, and what % of those earnings go to each player. Would you rather he be paid $200,000 and the ultra-rich who own the teams take the rest? Or would you like all the players to be paid the same, regardless of talent? Of course you wouldn't. The players currently get 57% of league income, and to me that makes sense - no players, no league.

    Decry the world, sure, it deserves to be pilloried, but don't pretend that's what is actually being discussed in this thread.
    very very good point

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    LOL

    Its Bull .

    There is no link. couldn't find it even after a Google search.

    Thread starter is full of .

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    LOL

    Its Bull .

    There is no link. couldn't find it even after a Google search.

    Thread starter is full of .
    I thought Duncan228 posted it down somewhere on the first page

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    No one and I mean NO ONE deserves to make that much money playing a game. Not even the great. Having said that, the NBA is a money making machine and the players like Duncan that make the league great deserve to get paid accordingly. Duncan like Shaq, Kobe, Lebron, etc... are big name draws and people pay good money to watch these guys perform no matter how productive they are now. So yes! Duncan deserves every single dime he gets this year and the next and the next after that.

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    No . The world is a ed up place, but that is not the issue.

    The issue is what % of earnings from the NBA go to the players, and what % of those earnings go to each player. Would you rather he be paid $200,000 and the ultra-rich who own the teams take the rest? Or would you like all the players to be paid the same, regardless of talent? Of course you wouldn't. The players currently get 57% of league income, and to me that makes sense - no players, no league.

    Decry the world, sure, it deserves to be pilloried, but don't pretend that's what is actually being discussed in this thread.
    he's got the point. who is feeding the NBA? it's the world, it's the people who do not play basketball for their living.

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    Not cherrypicking, but he is still an extremely poor defender.
    Are you kidding me? He is on a team that plays poor defense, his one-on-one defense is pretty solid. He is one of the best ten players in the league today and he is what 20-21 years old?

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    It's pointless to argue about what salary should or shouldn't in relation to other professions. You don't want it this way, stop watching, stop going to games, stop buying merchandise. You bankroll it, you allow the funds to pay for the small commodity of players to be paid what they are paid.

    As far as salaries go, strictly speaking the article is probably right on. If Duncan were renegotiating his contract today, he probably wouldn't rate $20+ million. But it's not the way it works. I agree with others that he is making more than he is probably strictly worth and that is as it should be, given the period of time for which is he was underpaid for what he was worth (earlier in his career). Players can and do cash in later in life. On balance, I think he was worth it, and mentioning that he took a paycut to make the team better and give them flexibility - that says a lot about his desire to win, which makes him worth it in my book.

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    Actual performance value versus actual value when considering everything else.

    There's an argument for either or. From a business standpoint, no. But, I understand why some people argue that he does, as it extends beyond what Duncan currently is capable of doing on the court.

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    LOL

    Its Bull .

    There is no link. couldn't find it even after a Google search.

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    I think this is the piece.

    Who is (and isn't) worth a max contract?

    No: Tim Duncan and Dirk Nowitzki

    Both players have been handsomely compensated for years, and rightfully so. Dirk signed his first maximum contract in 2001 and re-upped for the max in 2006. Duncan will make $22.2 million next season, ranking him fourth in the league (behind Tracy McGrady, Kobe Bryant and Jermaine O'Neal, ludicrously). Dirk was the 2007 MVP and Duncan's won four les, so it's fair to say they earned their dough. But are they worth it now? That's debatable. Nowitzki hasn't led the Mavs past the second round for three years, while Duncan's 33-year-old knees are wearing down. But credit Duncan for knowing he needs help in order to get a fifth ring. He accepted a paycut the next two seasons so the Spurs can re-sign Manu Ginobili and Tony Parker.
    http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=132084

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    I would give Duncan whatever he wanted. 50 million a year, you got it Timmy.

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    It's pointless to argue about what salary should or shouldn't in relation to other professions. You don't want it this way, stop watching, stop going to games, stop buying merchandise. You bankroll it, you allow the funds to pay for the small commodity of players to be paid what they are paid.
    +1 Asking someone to get off the net and actually have the backbone to stand up for their beliefs is asking a little much don't you think?

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    +1 Asking someone to get off the net and actually have the backbone to stand up for their beliefs is asking a little much don't you think?
    And coupling that with understanding economics? Nope, entirely too much.

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    Duncan's salary for the rest of this contract.

    2009-2010: $22,183,220

    2010-2011: $18,700,000

    2011-2012: $21,300,000
    and worth every penny.

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    Nobody deserves 22 million a year.
    i deserve 22 mil a year

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    This.


    There are people dying in the world who can barely earn more than a dollar a week and people are getting paid this amount of money, pathetic.
    +1

    Entertainers of all kinds. Priorities.....

    Most will gladly go down to the mall and and s out $130 for an authentic jersey or s out $70 for a movie but heaven forbid that they have to pay that $30 co-pay for the doc or taxes for that fire station down the street.

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    I don't get why people are saying entertainers do not deserve that kind of money. They went into a high risk profession knowing full well that their chases of "making it" is extremely small.

    The market determined that customers are willing to pay big bucks to watch a game, buy products a player endorses, watch TV which earns money through advertising, etc ... The players are at the top of a profession that requires a small amount of people to make a huge amount of revenue, and that revenue stream was dictated by the market, people who are willing to dish out a thousand bucks a game to sit courtside, s out $7 of a hotdog, etc ...

    Tim Duncan helped the Spurs organization pull in people who are willing to pay that kind of money. He deserved every penny.

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    Duncan can have whatever the he wants.\

    He deserves every penny.

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    If the Spurs announced Duncan was on the trading block there would be 29 GM's scrambling to put a package together that matches his salary.

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    i deserve 22 mil a year
    Off topic: Trainwreck, you have two of the best gif's I've ever seen. Do you find them or make them yourself.

    Back to topic: For what Tim Duncan has done for the franchise, I think he does deserve 22 mil a year. I'm fine with it. I'd be fine s ing out half my paycheck to see a Spurs game in the AT&T if I lived in San Antonio. , I've s ed out half my check to see him and the Spurs play here in Portland. Do the Spurs get the money I s ed out for a Blazers home game?

    I've bought jerseys, hats, shirts, DVD's, etc. And I was happy to do it. I never gave it a second thought. And I'll continue to pay for merch knowing that part of my money (albeit a very SMALL part) goes to pay his salary.

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    This.


    There are people dying in the world who can barely earn more than a dollar a week and people are getting paid this amount of money, pathetic.
    I hate to say it but how many of those 1 dollar people do what today's NBA players do? I mean these players salaries are completely market driven. If you are incredibly valuable and bring in millions to your organization you will be paid, handsomely. It's not a matter of being fair or unfair. But this is why players salaries are driven sky high. And given this economic situation Peter Holt should be praised and commended for being so committed to putting a superior and yes very expensive product on the floor for us to enjoy all these years.

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    I don't get why people are saying entertainers do not deserve that kind of money. They went into a high risk profession knowing full well that their chases of "making it" is extremely small.

    The market determined that customers are willing to pay big bucks to watch a game, buy products a player endorses, watch TV which earns money through advertising, etc ... The players are at the top of a profession that requires a small amount of people to make a huge amount of revenue, and that revenue stream was dictated by the market, people who are willing to dish out a thousand bucks a game to sit courtside, s out $7 of a hotdog, etc ...

    Tim Duncan helped the Spurs organization pull in people who are willing to pay that kind of money. He deserved every penny.
    Exactly my point.

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    2) Kobe Bryant will be 31 years old at the start of this year with 3 to 3 1/2 more seasons of wear and tear on his knees than other players his same age. The decline is coming soon.
    Let's not forget how much of a primadonna Kobe tends to be. Lawsuits, teammate bashing, and the demands to be traded. As good as he is basketball-wise, he's a . Duncan brings no problems whatsoever to the table, and always seems to encourage teams rather than talking trash about them.

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    people are looking at this in the wrong way. When players like Duncan are around, (he was a BEAST 1999-2005) they are worth soooo much more than 20 million, but u can only get paid 20 million or there abouts, so they pay the "extra" in terms of years. If it makes u people feel better, he was worth 30 million in 2003, and prob 15 million now, so it totals to the same amount.

    As for why entertainers earn so much, dont hate the player, hate the game, that was not the thread topic .. topic is if duncan is worth the max....

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    LOL

    Its Bull .

    There is no link. couldn't find it even after a Google search.

    Thread starter is full of .
    read the whole thread before you comment.
    otherwise, u don't know whoz making an ass of himself.

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    If you think its a travesty that players get paid $22 million while people starve to death earning nothing, then perhaps you should stop putting money in the players pockets by watching games/buying tickets and donate it all to charity.

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