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    Er, no.



    It might result in a reevaluation of the support that is paid and lower it, but not necessarily.
    The new spouse's income doesn't get considered by the judge at all....at least in Texas. And in Texas, $1000 for one child is quite a bit--California, not so much. But here, it's all based off the incomes of both of the biological parents.

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    I'm NOT arguing that a man or woman should pay for all expenses for the custodial parent, I'm arguing that often expenses work out to be far more than what is paid.

    I don't think cases of abuse don't exist, but I do believe they are not the norm.

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    yeah, dont get me wrong, I just think the current system is broken. Nothing wrong with child support when its working as intended and not as a tool by some vindictive es out there just to stick it to their ex.
    Ok, we can agree on this.

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    The new spouse's income doesn't get considered by the judge at all....at least in Texas. And in Texas, $1000 for one child is quite a bit--California, not so much. But here, it's all based off the incomes of both of the biological parents.
    In my area $1000 a month would maybe cover infant - 2 year care at a daycare center. Less expensive care may be available, but the least expensive licensed care I've found for an infant is $700 a month. I know the daycare through my workplace is $1200 a month (and it's not exactly top notch or anything).

    Which leaves a lot of expenses to cover.

    Granted, that may be higher, because it's an infant - but other costs will crop up as they grow, even as daycare costs are reduced.

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    I say make the parent with custody turn in receipts at the end of the month.........verifying where the child support went. A Macy's, Saks or Dillards receipt with coach purses on it doesnt count.

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    I think that is worthwhile - don't know who would oversee it if that were a mandated requirement of continuing support, but I know people have been required to prove that they've spent on the money on legitimate child-related expenses in renegotiation of support cases before.

    I know it's something that I would want to require in custodial do ents personally.

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    the man should have killed himself...if he didnt want to pay.

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    $1000 = Cheap by today's standards.
    I agree. That's what I was paying 13 years ago.

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    , it should just be ing split 50/50 on the damn cost of the child.


    at least after a 6 month period I'd say of said child being born.

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    Even if one parent is non-custodial, and therefore never cares for the children?

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    Even if one parent is non-custodial, and therefore never cares for the children?

    make it 75/25 then.


    with receipts well do ented.

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    Here's a few things that would make child support so much better IMHO.

    1) if the person that has custody of the child is requesting child support from the other biological parent, courts should make a paternity test mandatory to protect the non-custodial parent from potential financial and emotional ruin. (I imagine it would suck if the child you loved and gave money in support of for years on end turned out to not even be yours).

    2) Create a card similar to the Lonestar Card. Thats where the money is applied to. They must use it to purchase things solely for the child. Electronic statements can be tracked by the courts if necessary.

    3) Mandatory annual re-evaluation of payment amounts based off of both parents incomes.

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    I say make the parent with custody turn in receipts at the end of the month.........verifying where the child support went. A Macy's, Saks or Dillards receipt with coach purses on it doesnt count.
    best post in this thread.

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    Here's a few things that would make child support so much better IMHO.

    1) if the person that has custody of the child is requesting child support from the other biological parent, courts should make a paternity test mandatory to protect the non-custodial parent from potential financial and emotional ruin. (I imagine it would suck if the child you loved and gave money in support of for years on end turned out to not even be yours).

    2) Create a card similar to the Lonestar Card. Thats where the money is applied to. They must use it to purchase things solely for the child. Electronic statements can be tracked by the courts if necessary.

    3) Mandatory annual re-evaluation of payment amounts based off of both parents incomes.
    You are overlooking that there are expenses that contribute to a childs general welfare that are not directly related to the child...rent and or mortgage payments, utilities, car expenses, etc. Even a child's share of household food expenses...trying to make the expenses only being clothes and food directly used by the child is too restrictive.

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    You are overlooking that there are expenses that contribute to a childs general welfare that are not directly related to the child...rent and or mortgage payments, utilities, car expenses, etc. Even a child's share of household food expenses...trying to make the expenses only being clothes and food directly used by the child is too restrictive.
    what I meant was, if it shows up that something like a purse was purchased with the card, thats obviously not in the childs interest.

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    In texas it's a percentage of the parents income that is paying the child support. 20% for one child, 25% for 2, etc.

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    what I always never understood about child support is that I thought it was originally intended to support a child of a SINGLE mother. If that mother then gets married shouldn't the child support stop?

    Never mind the fact that these days that money that's supposed to be supporting the child is more often than not being used by the mother for her own personal gain.
    Yo, phyzik, couldn't agree more pal. I pay $1000 a month, and then she comes asking for more. After my $1000 a month, she ends up making more than I do in a year...and o-ya, it's tax free too, since I pay the F'in tax on it.

    If the half the money went into a fund for my son, I wouldn't be complaining, but I know he don't see a damn dime of that.

    20% of your check here in Texas for one kid.

    --PG

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    best post in this thread.

    Not really. The child support checks get deposited into an account and bills are paid. You don't freaking split up the food costs, the mortgage, the utilities, the insurance and a million other expenses into what portion your kid used up and how much was yours. Good God.

    But I wouldn't know, my childrens' sperm donor is about 8 years behind in payments.

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    Never mind the fact that these days that money that's supposed to be supporting the child is more often than not being used by the mother for her own personal gain.
    I'm very curious to see where you got this information.

    I know exactly one woman who gets too much IMO and then complains, but I know about 8 that struggle just to get the minimum if anything at all. Not everyone marries/has children with celebrities.

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    I would think that do entation could include an appropriate portion/percentage of grocery bills, rent, insurance, etc.

    But again - who administers this? The courts? Overworked social workers? That's part of the problem - we don't have enough money to fund this through the government and most individuals don't pursue it via attorneys or in court.

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    Not really. The child support checks get deposited into an account and bills are paid. You don't freaking split up the food costs, the mortgage, the utilities, the insurance and a million other expenses into what portion your kid used up and how much was yours. Good God.

    But I wouldn't know, my childrens' sperm donor is about 8 years behind in payments.

    why not.. just use %

    why not....just because it's hard? to bad...life is hard.

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    why not.. just use %

    why not....just because it's hard? to bad...life is hard.

    Try ridiculous. Most things aren't that easily quantifiable.

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    My mother received 240 dollars for 3 children and the man paid late and complained about the payments.

    In my experience most women are either getting to little or none at all. There are cases where too much is paid but by my experience and in my uneducated opinion its reduced cases.

    Water, energy, shelter, food, clothes, day care, school, school supplies, toys, entertainment, doctor, health care, dentist, medicines, the phone where they can talk to their father and in these days you can even add a computer.

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    Man, I pay child support due to my own stupidity and her lies, and I'm not as bitter as some of you.

    And again, I don't think you must know many people paying or receiving child support. Do you have any idea what it costs to raise a child? Between daycare, medical bills (insurance for the child alone, and then actual costs after insurance), clothing, food (just for the child - though of course, most families buy for family meals) and shelter (most kids need a room separate from their parents, automatically increasing the cost of rent or mortgage)?
    In Texas, the non-custodial parent has to provide insurance, and pay for all other medical expenses. Co-pays, prescriptions, etc. In addition to child support.

    It's actually pretty rare that a person pays hard-earned child support to keep the mother in diamonds and pedicures. I won't say it's never happened, but it's not the norm.
    And even then. Assuming the child isn't neglected, the whole point of child support is to make sure the kid has at least the same lifestyle as the non-custodial parent.

    If dad is banking 500k a year? He's living large, and guess what? That's 100k in child support, the kid will too.

    Granted, some people are es about it. It's pretty ed up to demand child support for the 4 months of summer the kid was living with the other parent. My parents hate each other, but even my mom never did that.

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    Try ridiculous. Most things aren't that easily quantifiable.

    I would believe that's the opposite of hard.

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