Reply With Quote
Let's hope they keep it up!
Have southerners swung the GOP ship too far right?
Houston we have a problem...
Voinovich slams DeMint and Coburn for GOP downfall; blames 'the southerners'
@ 4:42 pm by Michael O'Brien
http://briefingroom.thehill.com/2009...he-southernersToo many conservative senators like Jim DeMint (R-S.C.) and Tom Coburn (R-Okla.) are to blame for the GOP's downfall, one of their retiring Republican colleagues complained Monday.
"We got too many Jim DeMints and Tom Coburns," Sen. George Voinovich (R-Ohio) told the Columbus Dispatch. "It's the southerners."
Voinovich, a native Clevelander who retires after the 2010 election, continued after the southern elements of the GOP.
"They get on TV and go 'errrr, errrrr,'" he said. "People hear them and say, 'These people, they're southerners. The party's being taken over by southerners. What they they got to do with Ohio?'"
Voinovich has broken with his party at several significant points during his two terms in the Senate. He bucked leaders to vote against a dividend tax cut pushed by President George W. Bush earlier this decade, for instance, and only last week voted against an amendment sponsored by Sen. John Thune (R-S.D.) to expand Americans' ability to carry concealed weapons.
Voinovich, along with Sen. Richard Lugar (R-Ind.), voted against Thune's amendment, providing the key swing votes preventing it from passing.
Voinvich's percenptions aren't wrong, the GOP is marginalizing itself into a regional party like the Alaskan Freedom movement
...would could have imagiined that the GOP's Southern strategy could backfire?
Let's hope they keep it up!
and the hyper-liberals are the bankrupt east/west coast gots.
What's the big deal...if you want to split it up, let's get this show on the road.
wait wut? You need our hillbilly money? Ahhhh
Libs are captains of this ship now.
Pointing out irrelevant GOP members is just a distraction.
The 2 party system has failed. You all need to go to the CATO website and learn something. Partisanship sucks and is killing this great nation.
It's not partisanship that is killing this great nation - it's corporatism
I hope they don't.
Well with the GOP sitting pretty with 40 Senators I have to agree with you...
I can't wait for another irrelevant Obama poll thread..
I was reading a story today about Jim Bunning (R) KY. McConnell is basically forcing him out. JB is declining to run because the GOP powers that be are backing his opponent, and basically denying him all fund raising support.
It's a good thing you're calling out Obama for embracing it and trying to put more money into the hands of the insurance and health care industry then.
All that on top of autos, banks, etc.
I say there are too many to the left.Well with the GOP sitting pretty with 40 Senators I have to agree with you...
I can't wait for another irrelevant Obama poll thread..
How many conservatives had to hold their noses while voting? I thing many just stayed home and didn't vote.
They're going to have to do that if they want to appeal to the independents...
You know, the actual, real independents, not the Republican-deniers like you.
That's what happens when you pitch a perfect game, believe in deporting illegal aliens, and voted confirming against Ben Bernanke. He also opposed Gates. His views are conservative!
Congress loses the good people, to be replaced by those who will throw a game. That's all there is to it.
The difference is knowing how to connect with the people. When conservative ideals are actually discussed, people like what they hear. With the Main Stream Media always attacking conservative messages and praising liberals, the message gets lost.
If we had a fail media, we would be a better nation.
Fox News is fairly popular and seem to carry the conservative point pretty well. But I guess it's easier to point fingers at the MSM than at the party.
I don't think anybody in the MSM put a gun to their heads when they voted in favor of the bailout, did they?
There is some truth to what you say. The thing is, almost everyone gets a point of view from the traditional media outlets. You have to actively take the time to get information from The Fox News channel, or Talk Radio. So many people are ill informed, it's ridiculous. They only hear part of the truth. Too many of the voters base their decisions on incomplete and biased information. To say the listener of talk radio and Fox are the biased ones are wrong, because we hear both sides.
Biased is a relative term. Second time I have to point it out to you.
Eventually, you have to understand that if it would be popular to bash Obama, the MSM would have no qualms in doing so. Which I'm sure will happen in due time. Then again, I would argue that some people do not form opinion through the MSM, but merely use it to reaffirm their convictions, which is another matter altogether.
You are talking to an Engineering Technician. Bias can be absolute, or relative. Just like most things in life. It just depends on the point of reference. I am confident that I was right to speak of that in absolute terms.
Say what? What you just wrote intrinsically means it's relative.
No, when you discard the information and don't report the things you don't like, there is clear bias in play. Can you honestly say the media treated president Bush with the same love they did Clinton and do with Obama? If they reported the criticisms in that same manner as with president Bush, you could claim they are unbiased.
Look, I'm not going to continue arguing if it's relative or absolute. I see that as an acknowledgment you cannot argue the points, so you sidestep the issue at hand.
I AM arguing the points, you're the one that brought up the entire Engineering Technician.
And sure I can claim they reported highly of Bush with the same love as they did Clinton or Obama.
It was when Bush popularity was the highest (post 9/11 and up to his reelection).
When popularity decreases, viewers lose interest, and MSM lose advertisers.
So they move on to the next hot thing. It happened with Clinton too and will happen with Obama also.
And the hot thing for the main scream media's audience was Bush Bashing. They have already lost the wiser people to talk radio and Fox. Their audience is primarily lefties now. People who wish to stay informed listen to both sides. Those of you who criticize Fox, Limbaugh, Hannity, etc. to the point of trying to persuade people to tune them out, obviously don't care about hearing both sides.
Much of it is popularity driven. Still, if they are going to call themselves journalists, they should be very cautions of letting opinion influence the coverage. Most media outlets are little better than gossip rags now.
It's mostly popularity driven because that's what pay their bills. It's really no different with Fox or talk radio. Shows that are not popular or tune in enough viewers/listeners are dropped. At the end of the day it's a business, just like any other. The reality is that except for small demographics, like youngsters, opinion is formed outside of MSM media.
But like I said, it's a lot easier to blame and rail against MSM media than take responsibility and blame themselves.
True. It's a fact of life on both sides, but partisans of neither will admit it, though those interests often cause politicians of their favored party to sell out core party principles.
There are three major political parties in the United States, and no, I'm not counting the Libertarian party (if only). Those are the liberal Democratic party, the conservative Republican party, and the DC party. The DC party controls the presidency, roughly 80% of the Senate, and about 55% of the House of Representatives (going by last year's TARP vote).
Americans think there's only two, but in reality there are three, and naturally the one with the most power most Americans don't recognize. I think the parties other than the DC party are actually closer to representing the people as opposed to their corporate-Beltway overlords. Hence the mutual opposition of both liberal Democrats and conservative Republicans to the TARP vote in the House last year. The initial defeat of that bill was an expression of the people. Then, of course, the DC party went to work and found a way to bribe a few representatives to their side.
At least I know what a Senator Sanders believes in and I find myself in agreement with him on some items. I'd rather we have more Sanders and fewer Boehners in the Congress.
-MB
There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)
Posting Permissions
