Obama's accidental gift on race

[ChumpDumper]

You said I absolutely accused the police of incompetence.

You did.

Quit changing the argument.

I didn't.

No, you can't read a competent report and put it in context with the known facts.

The known facts were he wasn't called to investigate two black men with backpacks.

No, you seem to be basing your opinion on only that fact. You keep omitting the facts that ever other officer on the scene supports the arrest and that witnesses don't find the police actions inappropriate.

I said I allowed for the possibility they were as ignorant as you proved to be.

I would suggest you write your favorite Cambridge news personality and see if you can get them to ask the all-important question of the police; "Why was what Professor Gates did disorderly conduct." I bet you'd get an illuminating lesson.

I suggest you go by the facts of the case and not make up things to try to make the arrest look less stupid. At no time has anyone anywhere said that Gates was arrested for anything other than yelling from his porch. That has proven to not be disorderly conduct. You have done nothing to prove he committed any other action that could bring a disorderly conduct charge.

Strawman.

It's not a strawman. You proved you were ignorant of the law. It is quite possible these officers were ignorant of the law too.

Police Departments...indeed, government in general...isn't wont to volunteer information.

Why? Do they have something to hide? If Gates did something other than yelling from his porch to justify an arrest, that would only help the police.

If they did, Professor Gates would probably throw another shoe.

More made up .

I think they've chosen to just let sleeping dogs lie.

I think Gates did nothing other than yell from his porch.

But, I would really like to see the question asked.

It already has been asked: "What happened?"

I don't think all the facts are out and your opinion isn't of much value here, anyway.

I think all the facts are out and your opinion isn't of much value here anyway.

Link or cite.

In a minute.

Another hyperbolized strawman. I've never described the arrest as awesome. I even allow it may have been unnecessary. I just argue it wasn't stupid and that the police did nothing wrong in arresting Gates. That's my position, please refer to it accurately in future posts.

Please, you made up in an attempt to make Gates' arrest seem more justified.

Professor Gates was arrested for disorderly conduct.

What disorderly conduct? Link or cite.

You're stupid, as was Obama, for making that declaration from a position of ignorance.

If there were any more facts supporting a Gates arrest, they would have already been reported. You are no accusing the police of hiding information on top of incompetence.

I merely accused them of making a stupid arrest.

[ChumpDumper]

Link or cite.

I was an auxiliary police officer for 20 years, 11 in Michigan where a wise chief told us never, under any cir stances, were we to arrest someone for disorderly conduct. He said that if we couldn't find a more serious charge it was up to us to calm the person down. Otherwise he told us that using this charge was just an easy way to end a situation with a disruptive citizen without using the skill we were supposed to have to de-escalate.

http://www.capitolhillblue.com/node/18874

We also agree that the officers acted “stupidly” in arresting a man in his own home for disorderly conduct. Police officers are held to a higher standard than the public. They are trained to de-escalate situations and to be more tolerant. The officer in question, an instructor of sensitivity, should have exercised more discretion between free speech and the necessary element of public alarm for disorderly conduct. It is a common practice, often complained of, that requesting an officer’s name and badge number often results in being arrested.

Resisting arrest, resisting arrest without violence, disorderly conduct, obstructing governmental administration and similarly worded statutes are tools for law enforcement officers to advance or support legitimate police actions and strategies. These statutes were never meant to advance the intimidation of the public.

http://nloaus.org/nl/

[Yonivore]

http://www.capitolhillblue.com/node/18874

Stupidly never uttered...and, he wasn't there either.

http://nloaus.org/nl/

Your paragraph taken out of the context of an organization supporting President Bush because they have an agenda. They agree with President Obama. Unfortunately for them, President Obama, miscalibrated his words.

I guess you were able to prove there are also police officers that are willing -- for various reasons (ignorance in the case of the auxiliary officer and racial agenda in the case of Latino organization) -- to advance a narrative they can't support with the facts.

In fact, most of the NLOA statement concentrated on racial profiling which, be everyone's admission, didn't play a role in this incident. Never mind the fact Gates wasn't arrested "in his house" as claimed by the NLOA. Seems they play a bit loose with the facts themselves.

[ChumpDumper]

Stupidly never uttered...and, he wasn't there either.

He says it should never have taken place.

Your paragraph taken out of the context of an organization supporting President Bush because they have an agenda. They agree with President Obama. Unfortunately for them, President Obama, miscalibrated his words.

Unfortunately for you they didn't change their words.

I guess you were able to prove there are also police officers that are willing -- for various reasons (ignorance in the case of the auxiliary officer and racial agenda in the case of Latino organization) -- to advance a narrative they can't support with the facts.

You have proven that there is a former law enforcement official who -- for various reasons (ignorance of the law, a political agenda and general animus towards yelling black men) -- advanced a narrative he can't support with facts.

[Yonivore]

He says it should never have taken place.

His opinion. He didn't say stupid.

Unfortunately for you they didn't change their words.

Their agenda was about race.

You have proven that there is a former law enforcement official who -- for various reasons (ignorance of the law, a political agenda and general animus towards yelling black men) -- advanced a narrative he can't support with facts.

You fail again.

[ChumpDumper]

His opinion. He didn't say stupid.

It's all the support I need. A former cop disagreed with the arrest.

Their agenda was about race.

They said the arrest was stupid, and gave very good reasons against such arrests that have nothing to do with race. You really want to inject race into this every chance you can get.

You fail again.

An old man was arrested for yelling at the cops from his porch. That is not against the law, so it was a stupid arrest.

Prove that wrong.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

haven't had time, but i've been wanting to revisit candidate obama's "historical" race speech. the doctor said i've been rather low on irony.