Obama/Gates/Police fiasco....

[clambake]

and our time is up...........would you like to schedule another appointment?

[Yonivore]

i like the police.

you just can't see how that event in your life has jaded your reasoning.

So, now you're accusing me of being a racist on this issue? Prejudice against assholes, absolutely. Racist?

[Yonivore]

and our time is up...........would you like to schedule another appointment?

Can't answer, huh? No, no need to discuss further, I'm not really interested in your opinion anyway. Just wanted to out you as a idiot spouting some baseless nonsense.

Accomplished.

[clambake]

someone needs more appointments.

next time, i want you to tell me exactly how that event made you feel.

[clambake]

why don't you just PM me, and avoid the shame?

[ploto]

I like to look at how people use language, as we know that words bring with them images, as well as dictionary definitions.

Another thing I noticed: If you listen to the 911 call, the woman clearly states that she saw two suitcases. Then, the dispatcher also uses the word suitcases. But if you read the police report, the officer states that the woman said the men had backpacks. I find the difference revealing because a suitcase is not the same as a backpack, and the perception of who might carry a backpack is different from that of who might have a suitcase. Of course, we know it turned out to be suitcases from his trip and the woman was right and not the cop who said backpacks.

[ChumpDumper]

911 Call

Police Radio Transmission

So there is absolutely nothing there to justifiy Gates' arrest.

It was a stupid arrest.

So we have indeed heard the 911 call and also from the woman's attorney that she never once said these were black men- so anyone have any questions about the accuracy of the cop's report now?

No . Where they did that come from? Either someone along the line of communication took it upon him/herself to declare the alleged suspects as black men -- which may as well be called a form of profiling; at the very least extremely prejudicial -- or the police completely ed up or lied on their report.

Which is it, Yoni?

[Viva Las Espuelas]

ok. let me get this straight. all these guys are meeting up thursday, i believe. that man that nominated an overweight surgeon general is inviting people over for beers in the midst of a healthcare "debate". will he smoke as well?

it's not if you win or lose. it's how you look doing it.

[Yonivore]

So there is absolutely nothing there to justifiy Gates' arrest.

It was a stupid arrest.

Those aren't the totality of the facts.

No . Where they did that come from? Either someone along the line of communication took it upon him/herself to declare the alleged suspects as black men -- which may as well be called a form of profiling; at the very least extremely prejudicial -- or the police completely ed up or lied on their report.

Which is it, Yoni?

You obviously ignored Chief Haas's explanation.

[ChumpDumper]

Those aren't the totality of the facts.

Pretty much. If there was anything else that would have justified the arrest, it would have already been said.

You obviously ignored Chief Haas's explanation.

It was a nice bit of ass-covering, but it explains nothing. "Maybe one Hispanic man" turned into "two black men" and "suitcases" turned into "backpacks."

It's magic!

[Yonivore]

Pretty much. If there was anything else that would have justified the arrest, it would have already been said.

Why? And, by whom?

It was a nice bit of ass-covering, but it explains nothing. "Maybe one Hispanic man" turned into "two black men" and "suitcases" turned into "backpacks."

It's magic!

Maybe, after the police arrived and talked to her, it did. Again, you don't have enough facts to make that declaration and simply dismissing Chief Haas as ass-covering doesn't explain the media's lack of curiosity over that alleged discrepancy.

I think the story has morphed into one about Obama's idiocy and Gates' own racism. No one seriously argues, any longer, that the police arrest is relevant to anything here. Most reasonable people have settled on the presumptions the arrest was either justified or not and no one, except you (even Obama has abandoned the declaration), is arguing that it was stupid.

[clambake]

it was stupid.

the officer acted the same way you would have.

[ChumpDumper]

Why?

To justify the arrest.

And, by whom?

The police.

Maybe, after the police arrived and talked to her, it did. Again, you don't have enough facts to make that declaration and simply dismissing Chief Haas as ass-covering doesn't explain the media's lack of curiosity over that alleged discrepancy.

Maybe you just made up again.

Nah, there's no maybe about that.

I think the story has morphed into one about Obama's idiocy and Gates' own racism. No one seriously argues, any longer, that the police arrest is relevant to anything here. Most reasonable people have settled on the presumptions the arrest was either justified or not and no one, except you (even Obama has abandoned the declaration), is arguing that it was stupid.

I already posted links to policemen saying it was stupid.

You are trying to morph it into something else because you have nothing to support any of your contentions.

Gates was arrested for yelling from his porch, therefore it was a stupid arrest.

You have done nothing to refute this simple statement. You have only made up that exists nowhere but your lying mind.

[Yonivore]

I'm comfortable standing in opposition to President Obama, Professor Gates, some former auxiliary officer, the NLOA, ChumpDumper, and Clambake and with the Cambridge Police Department and others at the scene, on this matter.

[ChumpDumper]

Yes, you are very comfortable in your ignorance. That is clear.

[Yonivore]

Yes, you are very comfortable in your ignorance. That is clear.

Just how big is your hay barn?

[ChumpDumper]

Just how big is your hay barn?

An old man was arrested for yelling from his porch. There was no legal justification for the arrest, so it was a stupid arrest.

You have done nothing to prove otherwise. You have instead made up and proved your ignorance of the law and unquenchable desire to make this a racial issue.

[Yonivore]

An old man was arrested for yelling from his porch. There was no legal justification for the arrest, so it was a stupid arrest.

And, you're basing this on an incomplete record of the facts from the scene and the opinions of others who weren't anywhere near the scene. I on the other hand am basing my opinion on an incomplete record of the facts from the scene and the reported statements of witnesses and officers who were at the scene; as well as the statements of those officers' peers and supervisors.

You have done nothing to prove otherwise. You have instead made up and proved your ignorance of the law and unquenchable desire to make this a racial issue.

You're under the mistaken impression the Cambridge Police Department has either volunteered or been asked to explain the elements of the arrest. The haven't.

[ChumpDumper]

And, you're basing this on an incomplete record of the facts from the scene and the opinions of others who weren't anywhere near the scene. I on the other hand am basing my opinion on an incomplete record of the facts from the scene and the reported statements of witnesses and officers who were at the scene; as well as the statements of those officers' peers and supervisors.

So based on the facts of the case, you can't justify the arrest.

Neither could they.

You're under the mistaken impression the Cambridge Police Department has either volunteered or been asked to explain the elements of the arrest. The haven't.

They have been asked to explain what happened. They have been asked why Gates was arrested. The reason they arrested him was an old man was yelling from his porch. There was nothing else he did. That was it. No one there said he did anything else when they were asked what happened.

[Yonivore]

So based on the facts of the case, you can't justify the arrest.

Neither could they.

See, this is where your grasp of the English language fails you. Based on the facts as you and I know them, neither of us can support our claim. I, however, have the added benefit of supporting statements from those that were there. You do not.

They have been asked to explain what happened. They have been asked why Gates was arrested. The reason they arrested him was an old man was yelling from his porch. There was nothing else he did. That was it. No one there said he did anything else when they were asked what happened.

That's obviously your characterization of what was asked and answered, with some editorializing thrown in at the end.

[ChumpDumper]

See, this is where your grasp of the English language fails you. Based on the facts as you and I know them, neither of us can support our claim.

I can and have supported my claim. Given the facts of the case, there was no law broken.

I, however, have the added benefit of supporting statements from those that were there. You do not.

None of their statements justify the arrest.

That's obviously your characterization of what was asked and answered, with some editorializing thrown in at the end.

All parties have had every opportunity to say Gates did something that actually warranted arrest.

None did so.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

gates resisted arrest.

[DarrinS]

[ChumpDumper]

gates resisted arrest.

So where is the resisting arrest charge?

And what was he being arrested for in the first place that he could resist?

[Viva Las Espuelas]

You did a fine job, Officer Crowley.