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Agreed.
according to his twitter, he says he is hoping to sign with dallas shortly.
mavericks would have probably the best bench in the NBA
Barea
Terry
McCants
Thomas
Gooden
5 guys who are capable and explosive scorers, 4 of them being very good 3 point shooters.
Agreed.
other than JET i wouldnt trust anyone of those guys in a playoff series. McCants, Thomas and Gooden are all "Me" type players and all 5 of those guys you listed arent hustle/dirty work players and are extremely limited defensively. To me the mavs bench if constructed like that would be end up being a messaccording to his twitter, he says he is hoping to sign with dallas shortly.
mavericks would have probably the best bench in the NBA
Barea
Terry
McCants
Thomas
Gooden
5 guys who are capable and explosive scorers, 4 of them being very good 3 point shooters.
agreed...5 guys who all wants the ball and all wants to shoot....
5 guys who also dont want to play defense....
While I believe that Dallas' bench took a huge hit when it lost Bass, that does have the looks of a very solid bench.
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Barea has proven he has some of the biggest balls on the team, and Thomas has also proven to hit big shots frequently.
Gooden is a very good rebounder, and while not being much of a shotblocker, he plays solid man defense.
Truth is, it's better to have explosive scorers off the bench, than to have guys who can defend and hustle, but cant score for crap. Remember George, Wright, Buckner, Croshere, Jones, and Hassell? Once those guys went into the game, the Mavs entire team stagnated on both ends, despite being "hustlers" and "defenders", and got their asses kicked by offensive minded teams such as the Warriors and Hornets.
On the other hand, remember Daniels, Stackhouse, Van Horn, and Harris coming off the Mavs bench? A group of scorers who at times were defensive liabilities, that kept the Mavs in the games when the stars went out, and helped them to a Finals. And they did it against several different types of teams (Memphis - balanced all around. Spurs - slow, fundamentally sound. Suns - high powered, fast paced offense)
I'd take capable scorers who have questonable hustle/defensive ability off the bench in a heartbeat before taking decent hustlers/defenders who cant score for .
and keep in mind, its not like the Mavs will be running Barea, Terry, McCants, Thomas, and Gooden at the same time. They get mixed in as the starters go out. And we already know the lineup that will finish games...
Kidd
Terry
Howard
Marion
Dirk
so whether you trust guys like Thomas, Gooden, or McCants in a big moment, wont really matter if they arent on the floor.
Defense off the bench isn't really that neccesary unless you have a crappy defensive starting unit. And the Mavs still have Ross who is also a very good and versatile defender whom they can bring off the bench as well.
If the spurs had a scorer or two off the bench, they might have lasted more than 5 games against Dallas. scoring off the bench is more important than defense off the bench.
how many great bench players in history are known for their defense? not many at all.
but almost every great bench player ever is known for being a of a scorer, because that is what is most important. when your offensive players arent hitting their shots, you want a guy to come off the bench, and hit shots to keep the flow going.
It not that there all scorers, to me its more of the type of player/personality that they bring to the floor. I dont mind Gooden or TT (considering it was for the vet min) but when you start bringing a bunch of guys that have bounced from team to team and have no sense of the "team" game it makes me worry...Yes they are all better scorers than Wright, George or Singleton but they doesnt make the mavs bench the best in the NBA. I want a bench with high IQ guys that are versitle and are focused to win. TT, Gooden and McCants are not those type of players
Who do you have in mind?
I'm usually very hard on the Mavs front office, but this offseason they've done about as good a job as you could have expected. Other that the Gortat debacle, they've done a great job.
Exactly....Team Chemistry is very important in building a successful team
Where are you getting this idea that these guys are not team players?
Keep in mind, there is a difference between a player who teams are trying to get rid of because they are a negative influence on the team, as opposed to players who are middle of the pack, and tend to be good for trades. That has been more of the case with TT and Gooden, as opposed to being "me first" guys as you claim. These kinds of players are almost always floating around the league, often finding their way on to championship teams. look at James Posey. He is a very good bench player and glue guy, who was a MAJOR part of the Heat and Celtics championships, yet hes constantly floating around. Why? Because his style of play, contract, and name, makes him good for trades.
Gooden was a major part of the Cavs success over the past few years. Tim Thomas has proven through his career that he can step in and score points on any given night, helping teams (as we all saw how he helped the suns, as us Mavs fans were scared less every time he shot the ball). And I'm not sure where the dislike for McCants comes from.
If this is the Mavs bench to begin the season, I'm happy as . It's possibly the best bench the Mavs have ever had.
He must forget that the Lakers won with a bench of guys like Jordan Farmar, Sasha Vujacic, Devin Brown, and Puke Walton.
Was Brandon Bass a "me-first" guy? Sure, he was a black hole on offense, but I don't think anyone ever classified him as a selfish player. Yet somehow Drew Gooden is?
Tim Thomas literally doesn't care enough to be selfish or a locker room cancer, and that's fine with me. Just hit 3's at a more consistent clip than Matt Carroll, and TT has done his job.
McCants had some issues at North Carolina but I haven't heard much about him in Minnesota.
Like ive said I dont mind having a few guys like that but Thomas, Gooden and McCants all on the same squad...spare me
face- I too enjoy watching the thunder!
should be interesting to watch,
very fun exciting 365 days in front of us
guys like that? like what? you're classifying these guys as something that they're not.
that is a few guys like that. 3 to be exact. so why complain?
Dallas is looking much stronger. I hope Marion actually tries for you guys, and Josh Howard plays his ass off in a contract year.
mavs will be playing some serious small ball this year.
+1. I don't even mind the Gortat thing. He would've solved a lot of problems, so it was worth taking a shot. Mavs have done well this summer given the art of the possible. Not every team has a Triple A Affiliate in Memphis like the Lakers do.
I was kind of hoping the Spurs would pick him up.
a career 10 ppg scorer for likely our 8th option?
Thats serious depth right there
Decent enough pick-up. It's not like players like Manu Ginobili, James Posey, and Paul Millsap just fall out of the sky. Where are all these high basketball IQ, perfect teammates anyway? Ohhhh, they're already on teams.
Gooden and Thomas have their flaws, but neither is really that much of a blackhole on offense. Not being shy about shooting the ball doesn't mean it's all bad.
If McCants even signs with Dallas, he's going to be either the 11th or 12th man on the bench or a regular inactive player. I don't see what's wrong with bringing in a guy that can every once in a while drop 10 points in short minutes. And, the Mavs do have non-scoring role players off the bench as well, in Ryan Hollins and Quinton Ross.
I agree that Dallas has done a pretty solid job at trying to improve the team this off season with really not much to work with in terms of cap flexibility and the players that were available to them.
Shawn Marion, Gooden, Thomas, Beaubois, Ross, Humphries. Considering the Mavs only had the MLE to work with, that's a solid haul for the off season.
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