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    so traveling for hours is better for tony's recovery?
    That is not the point at all. You asked why would the take him away and not come to him.

    If you take TP away, you can get a clearer picture of the injury and not have to argue with the NT. You can have TP away from the team and allow him to think clearly in case the injury happens to be more serious.

    If he is injured, he still might want to play because he loves his country. That might not be smart...

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    Manu did and the Spurs reacted by picking him up at the airport and forcing local writers to write apology articles.
    Just curious. Is there any truth to this?

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    Bottomline is that it sucks Parker got injured yet again. Perfect scenario is that he would have led France to the championship and go into the NBA season ultra confident and ready to win another championship. He could have gained good experience that way and the Spurs had a long enough summer that he should have been able to recoup for next NBA season.

    But he's hurt so that messes up the whole equation. The Spurs would be dumb to risk playing through an injury. If you are the Spurs, you pull all the strings possible to have him shut it down because ankle injuries can linger. Even minor ones.

    The ball is in TP's court to then decide whether he wants to listen to the Spurs or ignore it and continue to try to play. He apparently decided to show commitment to the Spurs by following their request. I'm not sure what TP's motivation is for listening and not ignoring but I'm guessing that Manu's situation last year played a role in his thinking. Manu ignoring the Spurs' pleas basically derailed the entire season for the Spurs.

    Do you actually believe this was even possible? Maybe you should actually look at the rosters of the other European clubs.

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    I think there is a lot of people here, who does not understand the importance of the international compe ions for Europeans, South Americans, Africans...

    This is huge !

    The greatest compe ion on the planet is the football World Cup.

    For a professional player the greatest compe ions are the international ones.

    Maybe it's not the case for the american players, i don't know, but i can tell you that for europeans players it is really huge.

    Tony was 16 when the French football team became the World Champion, and he absolutely wants to do something with the basketball French NT. I mean... really !
    European championship is a harder compe ion at higher level than world championship and overall it's very similar to Olympics. Ignore the Americans here. They do not know anything about it. They probably think the joke Americas tournament is better.

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    I'm not trying to be right about anything. I'm just pointing out that if TP had a minor injury, he didn't have to listen to the Spurs. He must understand on some level because he voluntarily went back to San Antonio. The Spurs couldn't make him. They'd get in trouble by even making any small threat to him.
    TP: "I must follow Spurs' order"

    It sure looks like he "voluntarily went back to San Antonio".


    You want to equate "I don't understand" to "I'm 100% healthy". Those two things aren't the same.
    I've never said Parker was 100% healthy.

    Did he say he was going to start practicing? If so, why was Italy in doubt? A week to prepare for Italy if he could practice should be plenty.
    Parker was on schedule and the doubt with the Italy game were more related to his lack of shape.

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    Do you actually believe this was even possible? Maybe you should actually look at the rosters of the other European clubs.
    France >>>>>>>>>> Greece

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    That is not the point at all. You asked why would the take him away and not come to him.

    If you take TP away, you can get a clearer picture of the injury and not have to argue with the NT. You can have TP away from the team and allow him to think clearly in case the injury happens to be more serious.

    If he is injured, he still might want to play because he loves his country. That might not be smart...
    why are you questioning his injury? the spurs sent someone in france who also said it was a minor injury. I'm 100% positive tony will come back, but because of the travel he'll miss the most important game of the tournament. That's why i don't get it.

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    Every year it's the same story : front office's paranoia (and Spurs fans too) about the injuries of TP with the French NT.

    Nonetheless...

    In 8 years with the Spurs, Tony played 612 games in regular season.

    It is 76.5 games / RS. (That with Pop resting his stars in some games before the playoffs.)

    And he played 122/122 games in playoffs.

    Not bad for a guy who is always injured !

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    Parker may be upset but even if Tony did understand why Pop asked him to fly back to the US i.e. a pre-stipulated agreement: if you get injured you come back and get checked out...if Tony vocalizes that it's not his call..the Spurs can be the bad guy and Tony doesn't look like he's "surrendering" without a fight.


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    France >>>>>>>>>> Greece


    Why is France not even qualified for the tournament? Why is Greece even after 3 starters again this summer quit the team STILL ranked #2 by all the bookies to win the tournament?

    Your opinions on this subject mean nothing because you have a severe handicap when it comes to European basketball. No one in Europe would put France as comparable to teams like Spain, Greece, Lithuania.

    You are too funny.

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    Bruno:

    What do you think the Spurs motivation is here?

    Also, so TP's fitness was a concern? Enough that he might miss the Italy game combined with his minor injury?

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    Yes, he might be very angry, but that does not mean that he would not sign because of it. Maybe, but that is a pretty serious claim to make, especially since it will be 2 years down the road.
    You don't realize how the NT is important for TP. If Spurs up two summers for nothing, it could become ugly.

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    why are you questioning his injury? the spurs sent someone in france who also said it was a minor injury. I'm 100% positive tony will come back, but because of the travel he'll miss the most important game of the tournament. That's why i don't get it.
    Where did I question it personally? I said if he is injured...You seem to act like you are the examining doctor in that you are 100% sure he is ok.

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    TP: "I must follow Spurs' order"

    It sure looks like he "voluntarily went back to San Antonio".
    But TP doesn't have to follow the Spurs' orders. He's free to ignore. And him ignoring would be about 1/100th as damaging as Manu ignoring last year with a deformed ankle.

    Parker was on schedule and the doubt with the Italy game were more related to his lack of shape.
    So being out of shape plus a slightly more injured ankle than expected probably would have him missing the game anyways.

    Is this game in Italy? Am I correct in thinking that for France to advance if they lose to Italy that they have to win the rest of their games and beat Italy in France by a larger margin than they lost?

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    Bruno:

    What do you think the Spurs motivation is here?
    They want to be sure and the only way to be sure is to do the exams/rehab in SA.
    And it's a plain ridiculous at ude.

    Also, so TP's fitness was a concern? Enough that he might miss the Italy game combined with his minor injury?
    He wouldn't have missed the game but he likely wouldn't have played 35 min.

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    Is this game in Italy? Am I correct in thinking that for France to advance if they lose to Italy that they have to win the rest of their games and beat Italy in France by a larger margin than they lost?
    yes and yes.

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    Where did I question it personally? I said if he is injured...You seem to act like you are the examining doctor in that you are 100% sure he is ok.
    well i'm just trusting tony, the french doctors, the spurs guy in france.
    I'm ok with the spurs taking extra precaution, but they are better way to do it like coming to france. I'm sure tony is mature enough to not be influenced by other people to make a decision.

    ok i'm out, it's almost 4 am here
    goodnight!

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    spurs doctors should have do the trip to france and check his "injury"here in paris...imagine 22hours in a plane (with i hope the come back to france for italy game)

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    It is a tough situation for both sides. No doubt. As a Spurs fan I am happy the Spurs are being overly cautious. I understand that FNT fans might be upset.

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    I'm guessing it's probably a regular ankle sprain. It don't see how it could be minor given how the events have played out.
    If I remember corretly Ian's injury, Spurs doctors doesn't seem so good with ankles....

    Anyway, I hope TP's ankle is fine, and that he'll be able to play with the NT soon.

    One good point is that Tony still listen what Spurs say, even if he doesn't have to (there is no obligation for him to come back in SA according to NBA/FIBA agreement).
    On the other hand, if his ankle is OK, a trip to SA from Paris is not the best way to be ready for the game against Italy, and the risk of injury after long trips exists.....

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    You don't realize how the NT is important for TP. If Spurs up two summers for nothing, it could become ugly.
    You think they pulled him last year "for nothing"? I think his subsequent injury proved them right.

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    They want to be sure and the only way to be sure is to do the exams/rehab in SA.
    And it's a plain ridiculous at ude.
    The it is. They might as well put all the money they have invested this year in a barrel and burn it if Parker is hurt. Wouldn't you take extra caution if it was your cash?

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    For those saying Tony is so tied to the French NT - then he should question his commitment to the NBA and just go play in Europe. He has a legal contract over here, and he's being paid to play. Period. The next CBA is probably going to have limitations on people playing in Europe or another locale when entering the draft, along with playing outside the league.

    I hope at some point teams can not pay players who choose to play outside the league and get injured - if you make a damn commitment to someone who's paying you, ing honor it.

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    It looks like the plan of action will be for France to try to keep it close against Italy, beat Finland and then Parker return (if healthy) to try to destroy Italy on Aug. 14. Then all they'd need to do is beat Finland again and they'd advance.

    He has 2+ weeks for the Spurs to check on him and get healthy. All France has to do is lose by at most 10-12 points in Italy and beat Finland. Sounds doable to me. The only Italians in the NBA suck.

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    You think they pulled him last year "for nothing"? I think his subsequent injury proved them right.
    Way to ignore what really happens.

    Last year, TP went to SA and what immediately cleared by Spurs' medical staff.

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