Charles Rosen's Most Overrated List...

[Phillip]

wow, good list.
I like Rosen, he usually has a point and usually doesn't go with the mainstream. CP was a surprise on that list and for sure to harsh. but even there Rosen has a valid point.

his points are

he purposely says everything wrong so he can grab headlines and attention

unfortunately he may not realize that people don't think hes some kind of genius that thinks in ways they dont. its obviously backfired because people think hes a ing faced moron, because thats what he is.

[TFloss32]

Vince Carter is the most underrated superstar the NBA has. He is EASILY, EASILY the most skilled player I've ever seen. That includes Jordan. Is his career even comparable to Jordan's? Absolutely not. Is he more skilled? In my opinion, yes. There's nothing Vince Carter cannot do on the basketball floor. Jordan didn't have range. Carter can shoot a better percentage taking 30 foot 3's than Jordan could shooting 25 footers. And 5 feet, at that deep, is a big, big difference. Let's also remember Jordan had ELITE players and role players around him. Anyway, the main point is that Carter can do everything that Jordan can do except he has unlimited range on his jumper.

I assure you that VC is overrated, his lack of accolades proves this. No All-NBA (first teams) and no All-Defensive. He has nothing to show for himself to even be mentioned in the same breath as MJ (11 All-NBA and 9 All-Defensive). The only thing that MJ and VC have in common is they're both bald headed and wore Carolina blue in college. The only reason they're even compared at all is because of finishing ability.

Who cares if MJ's 3pt percentage was average? He was a 30+ point ppg for his career. Plus, it's 37% to 33% in favor of VC (not that big of a difference and he can't give you a ppg like Jordan could).

What ELITE players did Jordan play with? He had Scottie Pippen and a bunch of other guys that just knew how to play the game. VC has had more overall talent on his side throughout his career, and even more so now that he's in Orlando.

All in all, Jordan is the better scorer and defender, has a waaaay better basketball IQ and had all of the intangibles (main reason VC has never won anything) to win championships.

[Biggems]

How the did Grandpa Greg avoid the list?

[Biggems]

I guess Kandi is no longer in the league. He definitely belongs on the list.....Kwame Brown too.

[TheSullyMonster]

Basically irrelevant to the point I made about LeBron. Yeah, Rajon had a great post season. Missing Garnett and having multiple overtime games will indeed boost your stats. Nevertheless, LeBron and Rondo's numbers were basically the same across the board (except for points where LeBron doubled Rondo 35 to 17).

You know, I had actually forgotten about that. Just remembered that he damn near averaged one, and thought he deserved a shout out.

Generally speaking, LeBron has the better shot at a triple-double every time he steps on the floor because he's the better player and he has to do way too much for the Cavs to be successful.

Yeah, if I were a betting man, I'd bet on LeBron. But keeping in mind Rondo, after this years playoffs, and Kidd out of sheer momentum/history as well.

[mountainballer]

his points are

yeah, THAT's a well reasoned argument.

its obviously backfired because people think hes a ing faced moron, because thats what he is.

well, maybe not all people. I think he is one of the better analysts out there (and this absolutely doesn't mean I agree on everything he writes). exactly the opposite of Hollinger.
(who may very well post the same list as his "most underrated" players list, just because most of this guys are stat stuffers)

[mystargtr34]

I guess Kandi is no longer in the league. He definitely belongs on the list.....Kwame Brown too.

Kandiman stopped being over rated about 2 years in, everyone knew he pretty much sucked after that. It took Kwame a little longer.

[Culburn369]

I don't lockstep on Brown...at a decent price I'd take him back. He's a f'in tree in the defensive paint.

[Muser]

I don't lockstep on Brown...at a decent price I'd take him back. He's a f'in tree in the defensive paint.

Him and Luke make a badass defense.

[JustBlaze]

Chris Andersen

Yes, he can run, jump and dash to the ball from the weak side to dramatically block shots. And his masquerading as a tall, tattooed fowl is amusing if juvenile. But he can't shoot a lick and, most importantly, is incapable of adequately defending virtually any opponent on a man-to-man basis. What Andersen does is surely crowd-pleasing and can occasionally impact the outcome of a game, but it's mostly phony defense.

Phony defense my ass . Lets see that old fart go up against Bird, he'll lock his pruney ass up and swat anything he throws at him.

[redzero]

Rosen must be a Julius Hodge fan.

[Gino]

1) Jason Kidd

2) Shawn Marion

And Im seriously not trying to piss off the Mavs fans. This is my REAL opinion.

[The TroutBum]

Haha, Chris Paul. What a butt .

[ffadicted]

I agree with everyone of those but Dirk

[Mr Bones]

Vince Carter is the most underrated superstar the NBA has. He is EASILY, EASILY the most skilled player I've ever seen. That includes Jordan. Is his career even comparable to Jordan's? Absolutely not. Is he more skilled? In my opinion, yes. There's nothing Vince Carter cannot do on the basketball floor. Jordan didn't have range. Carter can shoot a better percentage taking 30 foot 3's than Jordan could shooting 25 footers. And 5 feet, at that deep, is a big, big difference. Let's also remember Jordan had ELITE players and role players around him. Anyway, the main point is that Carter can do everything that Jordan can do except he has unlimited range on his jumper.

If you truly believe this, doesn't that say an awful lot about Carter's drive to succeed? He won't go down as one of the greatest players ever, despite his talent, and he hasn't had extraordinary success like most of the other elite players of this era. I think it's a pretty damning statement to say the single most skilled player in the history of basketball has never been an all-nba first teamer, a member of the all-defensive team, an mvp, or a champion. Wouldn't that amount to an incredible waste of talent?

[Allanon]

Chris Bosh is a cool dude but over-rated due to his very poor defense.

Bynum's not on the list because he was an awesome player for $3 million. Of all the Centers in the NBA, he was the best value dollar for dollar. 14 points and 8 rebounds, 2 blocks and 50%+ shooting <30 minutes is pretty damn good.

There's no over-rating when you say Bynum will probably be the best Center in the West next season.

[Goran Dragic]

There's no over-rating when you say Bynum will probably be the best Center in the West next season.

yeah and I'll be the best PG in the West as well.

[Allanon]

yeah and I'll be the best PG in the West as well.

Who is a better Center than Bynum in the West?

How can anybody say that Bynum's overrated when he was the most under-paid quality Center in the NBA last year? Dwight Howard is the best Center in the NBA and it cost $500,000 more to put up 1 point. It cost almost $1 million more for Shaq to put up a point.

1. Andrew Bynum, LAL 14.3 ppg - $3 million - $209,000 cost per point
2. Andrea Bargnani , TOR 15.47 - $6 million - $387K per point
3. Al Jefferson , MIN 23.1 - $12 million -$521K per point
4. Mehmet Okur , UTA 17.0 - $9 million - $529K per point
5. Nene Hilario , DEN 14.6 - $10 million - $584K per point
6. Dwight Howard , ORL 20.6 - $15 million - $728K per point
7. Emeka Okufor, CHA 13.2 - $10 million - $757K per point
8. Ming Yao , HOU 19.7 - $16 million - $812K per point
9. Shaquille O'Neal , PHX 17.8 - $20 million $1.12Million per point
10. Jermaine O'Neal , MIA-TOR 13.3 - $23 million - $1.7 Million per point

[Allanon]

I agree that Kobe is a way better compe or than Vince on most nights, but they're not making the playoffs with that roster. No way. One of the big reasons Harris had a breakout season was that Carter took a back seat to him offensively and allowed him to flourish. I don't think you could say Kobe would do the same for him.

If Kobe can get to the West Playoffs with Smush Parker, Kwame Brown, Luke Walton as Starters, he would have made the Playoffs with Devin Harris, Yi and Brook Lopez in the weaker East.

Devin Harris > Smush Parker
Yi Jianlian> Luke Walton
Brook Lopez > Kwame Brown

[ambchang]

Bynum is the best bargain center in the league is as accurate as saying Bargnani is a better value than Dwight Howard.

[Allanon]

Bynum is the best bargain center in the league is as accurate as saying Bargnani is a better value than Dwight Howard.

Bynum's $209K per point don't lie. Nobody was even close in bang for the buck.

[Findog]

Who is a better Center than Bynum in the West?

Biedrins
Nene
Yao (when healthy)
Krstic
Al Jefferson
I'd say Pryzbilla, but let's be generous to your argument and say he's not better
Marc Gasol
Kaman (when healthy)
Okafor
Okur

Seriously, were you high when you typed that?

[Spurs_210]

IMO Dirk is underrated not sure why he made the list.

[Allanon]

Biedrins
Nene
Yao (when healthy)
Krstic
Al Jefferson
I'd say Pryzbilla, but let's be generous to your argument and say he's not better
Marc Gasol
Kaman (when healthy)
Okafor
Okur

Seriously, were you high when you typed that?

• Only Al Jefferson is arguable on being better than Bynum. But then when you see Bynum destroy Big Al, then see his terrible point differential because Al plays no defense.
• Learn to read, Yao isn't healthy or else he'd be better. We all know Yao's not playing next year, thus he's out of the picture.
• Nene? Did you not see the 4 piont, 6 point and 8 point games Nene had against Bynum? Nene is quite over-rated.
• Kristic? 10 ppg, 6 rebounds. Far below Bynum
• Mark Gasol? See stats
• Kaman? See stats and see how Bynum destroys Kaman every time they meet.
• Okafor has worse stats than Bynum even with more minutes
• Okur is great if you like soft 3 point shooting Big men that play no defense. Sounds like your style Mavfan.

Serioursly, when will you ever post anything that doesn't come out of your ass?

[Findog]

• Only Al Jefferson is arguable on being better than Bynum. But then when you see Bynum destroy Big Al, then see his terrible point differential because Al plays no defense.
• Learn to read, Yao isn't healthy or else he'd be better. We all know Yao's not playing next year, thus he's out of the picture.
• Nene? Did you not see the 4 piont, 6 point and 8 point games Nene had against Bynum? Nene is quite over-rated.
• Kristic? 10 ppg, 6 rebounds. Far below Bynum
• Mark Gasol? See stats
• Kaman? See stats and see how Bynum destroys Kaman every time they meet.
• Okafor has worse stats than Bynum even with more minutes
• Okur is great if you like soft 3 point shooting Big men that play no defense. Sounds like your style Mavfan.

Serioursly, when will you ever post anything that doesn't come out of your ass?

krstic, kamen, okafor, okur and gasol were jokes, but every other guy on that list is better than Bynum. Biedrins, Jefferson and Nene are easily better than Bynum.

Bynum was freaking awesome in the playoffs, btw. You guys couldn't have done it without him.