clash peter holt vs tony parker

[Cry Havoc]

Best quote of the year, Ive always thought the same thing.

Trade em while we can still get alot for em.
To be honest I always felt hes one non-pass away from being Iverson.

Idiotic.

Career FG%
Iverson - 41%
Parker - 49% (Last 3 years 51%)

Get the out of here. You're an idiot who's never watched the Spurs play.

This is what I dont get, How is parker a top 3 point guard. I bet you have him as no. 1 dont you?

Not only #1. I think he's third to Jesus and Ghandi in terms of the greatest human beings of all-time.

I've been a spurs fan for 16 yrs and I still have games in my collection of AJ playin. He does dominate the ball, and I dont just stare at box scores, I've seen the games he's played and have games on tape of him ( Parker )playing.

Ah. You want Calderon for Parker, yes? A better player, yes?

2009 Assists per Game:
Calderon - 8.9
Parker - 6.9

at you. You're trying to trade away a player averaging 7 assists per game for a season while stating he's not a passing PG or that he can't get assists. Even in the Spurs multiple pass offense, Parker got 7 dimes per game this year.

Some players who DID NOT average 6.9 assists per game:

Andre Miller
Chauncey Billups
Ramon Sessions
TJ Ford
Luke Ridnour
Rafer Alston
Mike Bibby
and the list goes on.

By the way, the Spurs have 4 players in the top 100 and two in the top 50 in Assists per game for the NBA last year, and that's without Manu being there due to injury DQ.

Parker destroyed Billups this year in almost every single statistical category. He his FG% was higher by 10. TEN PERCENT. He actually REBOUNDED BETTER than Chauncey. And despite his penetration ability, he shot less FTs than Billups by almost 100. If Parker were given the calls other PGs in the league got, he'd average 28 a game, not just in the playoffs.

So, he scores better than Billups, scores more efficiently, gets more assists, outrebounded him for the season, but Billups is a better PG because "he doesn't dominate the ball". GTFO.

Now that your argument has been shredded, I want to hear your logic with a response. Come on. Bring it, oh-fan-of-the-stats.

Congratulations. You fail.

What CONTINUES to baffle me on this board is how people ONLY look at offensive value when it pertains to Parker. NOBODY seems to talk about how awful his defense is. Rondo is a HUGE upgrade defensively. He's a better team guy. If Parker isn't scoring, he's doing NOTHING to help the team. If Rondo isn't scoring, he's rebounding or dishing for easy buckets. I'd take Rondo's style on the PRESENT spurs team any day of the week over a one-dimensional guy. That said, we've got WAY too many new guys as it is, we can't just come in here with an entirely new team and expect to win a championship. Yes, the Celtics did it, but the landscape of the league was a lot different, even if it was only 2 years ago. The top of the league is A LOT stronger.

You continue to be one of the worst posters on Spurstalk. Sweet. It's amazing how wrong you can be about so many things. You're talking about Parker from 5 years ago when he didn't play defense.

6.9 ing assists this year, . GTFO.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

6.9 assists for a point guard that has the ball in his hands all of the time. Iverson averages more assists than that almost any year... and he plays shooting guard. lol Sorry, you don't know how basketball works. Or basketball in general.

Ignorance is bliss.

[timaios]

No, I'm talking about the Parker that gets torched by players like J.J. Barea, who is 5'6"... or Luke Ridnour... who couldn't start for 95% of the teams in this league. Next.

Boxscores please...

[Muser]

6.9 assists for a point guard that has the ball in his hands all of the time. Iverson averages more assists than that almost any year... and he plays shooting guard. lol Sorry, you don't know how the NBA works, or basketball in general.
No, I'm talking about the Parker that gets torched by players like J.J. Barea, who is 5'6"... or Luke Ridnour... who couldn't start for 95% of the teams in this league. Next.

uh..

Iverson last season 4.9 assists
07-08 Season 6.7 assists

Good try though.

[Leetonidas]

6.9 assists for a point guard that has the ball in his hands all of the time. Iverson averages more assists than that almost any year... and he plays shooting guard. lol Sorry, you don't know how the NBA works, or basketball in general.

You're obviously a ing re if you don't understand that Parker's role on the team is not to pile up assists but to score and set up the offense. The Spurs run a motion offense and the ball moves around the perimeter a lot. Sorry, you don't know how the Spurs or their basketball philosophy in general works.

Next.

[Leetonidas]

Parker getting torched by Barea??

Spurs vs. Mavs 2009 series:

Parker - 28.6ppg
J.J. Barea - 10ppg



Try again.

[Cry Havoc]

No wonder Havoc seems like such a happy guy.

Yes. Because on my planet I understand that 4.9 and 6.7 is less than 6.9.

It's funny though. Your beef with Parker is that he's got the ball in his hands all the time so he should have more assists...

And then you proceed to compare him to... Allen Iverson?

[Muser]

He's asked to score because he isn't a good passer. lol Plain and simple. You can make whatever excuses you want to. Him averaging less assists than Iverson in a typical year is fact.

Way to ignore the facts I posted.

[Leetonidas]

He's asked to score because he isn't a good passer. lol Plain and simple. You can make whatever excuses you want to. Him averaging less assists than Iverson in a typical year is fact.

Are you serious? Do you even watch Spurs basketball?

Iverson. He is the most selfish player in the NBA and you'd really rather have that sack of over the one of the top 3 point guards in the NBA today?

Seriously dude, put down the meth syringe.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

He's asked to score because he isn't a good passer. lol Plain and simple. You can make whatever excuses you want to. Him averaging less assists than Iverson in a typical year is fact.

The amount of fail in your posts is troubling kid.Seriously.

[Leetonidas]

The most assists Iverson has EVER averaged per game is 7.9 in 2004-2005.

Wow so in his best season he only averaged 1 more assist than Tony did this year.



Try again.

[Leetonidas]

BTW for their careers, Parker averages 5.6 per game and Iverson averages 6.2.

[Muser]

Good try, but reading comprehension ftl. I said in "almost any year". He was traded last year btw? rofl

I don't care if he was traded, if Iverson > Parker at assists he should be able to get them in Detroit.

Also @ your lack of spurs Basketball knowledge.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Don't start whining next season when Parker has the best supporting cast in the league and he can't top 7APG.

He won't average more than 7 APG and no one bar 14 year olds like you would give a damn. No PG would average significantly more assist in our offense.

[Cry Havoc]

Don't start whining next season when Parker has the best supporting cast in the league and he can't top 7APG.

Welcome to the Spurs offense. It's called, "We pass the ball more than once."

[Leetonidas]

While averaging 30 points per game.

Try again.

...on a team where he was the only scorer while Tony had Tim and Manu.

Try again.

[Muser]

You can put Jose Calderon/Chris Paul/Deron Williams whoever the you want and I can guarantee that would not average more then 7 APG max in the Spurs offense.

[Cry Havoc]

While averaging 30 points per game.

Try again.

In the 04-05 season, Allen Iverson took 1,818 FG attempts.

The same year, Parker took 1,118 FT attempts.

The most FG attempts Parker has ever taken for a season is 1,263.

You still fail.

[Leetonidas]

Are you honestly going to argue for Parker being a better player historically than Iverson? Sorry, but I'm not even going to debate with you if that's the case. Iverson is a first ballot Hall-of-Famer. The only way Parker would EVER get in is riding Duncan's coattails for ring totals.

Seriously, just log off and never log back in. Iverson is a better scorer, but a better player he is not. He is selfish. He's never won in the NBA while TP was owning Jason Kidd in the NBA Finals when he was 20 years old.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Are you honestly going to argue for Parker being a better player historically than Iverson? Sorry, but I'm not even going to debate with you if that's the case. Iverson is a first ballot Hall-of-Famer. The only way Parker would EVER get in is riding Duncan's coattails for ring totals.

edit: Same question goes to Havoc.

Historically Parker is the better all around player with the better career and is a sure HOF-er.

[Cry Havoc]

Are you honestly going to argue for Parker being a better player historically than Iverson? Sorry, but I'm not even going to debate with you if that's the case. Iverson is a first ballot Hall-of-Famer. The only way Parker would EVER get in is riding Duncan's coattails for ring totals.

edit: Same question goes to Havoc.

Of course not. Parker is 27. Very few players at 27 will be able to stand up career wise to Iverson. That said, Parker has always been a more efficient scorer. But now you're deflecting the argument because your points are being disproven.

Your original contention was that all Parker can do to help the Spurs is score. When that argument was annihilated, you've attempted to get Spurs fans to compare the careers of Parker and Iverson in order to say you're still correct.

It's a common tactic on the internet to change the subject when you're wrong. It's okay though. It was a good attempt while it lasted.

Just to remind you:
6.9 assists.

[Brazil]

^^Cry these guys are just a ing waste of time. At any opportunity they will throw their venom, they aren't fans.

[Muser]

I need to start writing names on notepads of people that clearly don't watch the NBA on a regular basis. Then, I also need a section for children who started watching basketball in 2003. You would be in both categories.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

I need to start writing names on notepads of people that clearly don't watch the NBA on a regular basis. Then, I also need a section for children who started watching basketball in 2003. You would be in both categories.

I guess the le even-more-stupid-than-KBP doesn't bother you. I've watched basketball before you were born.

[ChumpDumper]

HAHAHAHA. Are you really going to compare Iverson's career accomplishments to Parker's? Did you really just bring up the 2003 finals when Duncan was putting up quadruple doubles? Your argument is seriously HILARIOUS.

I remember Parker's running circles around Jason Kidd so often that the Nets had to put someone else on him.

So... is winning a ring coattailing or taking a team to the finals almost literally by yourself a better career accomplishment?

I think winning Finals MVP trumps them both.