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Allen Iverson has 2 NCAA big east DPOY awards, just found it whilst looking up his stats against Pippen
patrick ewing
david robinson
george mikan
rick barry
clyde drexler
reggie miller
elgin baylor
willis reed
kevin garnett
Dominique wilkens
jason kidd
steve nash
oscar robertson
bob pet
Allen Iverson has 2 NCAA big east DPOY awards, just found it whilst looking up his stats against Pippen
I was a Bulls' fan during the last three peat (like 99% of the people outside the US during that time). Pippen wasn't as great as people say he was. Great defender, great athletic ability but he had a lot of flaws on his game. His shooting for example was far from great.
J. Havlicek
Derrick Rose
OK Nash and AI are two of the biggest defensive liabilities in modern NBA history, while Pippen was arguably the best perimeter defender of all time.
I'm thinking it this way: compare Pippen at his prime against any other player on his prime, who would you rather have on your team?
John Havlicek - Awards And Accomplishments
1958 Chosen to All-State High School Basketball Team
1961-62 Ohio State Basketball team MVP
1962 Chosen to All America and All-Big 10 teams
1962-78 First player to score 1,000 points in sixteen consecutive seasons
1964, 1966, 1968-70, 1975-76 All-NBA Second Team
1966-78 NBA All-Star team
1969-71 NBA All-Defensive Second Team
1971-74 All-NBA First Team
1972-76 NBA All-Defensive First Team
1974 Most Valuable Player NBA Finals
1978 Havlicek's number 17 retired by Celtics
1980 NBA 35th Anniversary Team
1996 NBA 50th Anniversary Team
Keep laughing.
Allen Iverson - No way
Steve Nash - No ing way
Clyde Drexler - Arguable; I'd lean to yes.
Dr J - Yes
Patrick Ewing - No
Shaquille O'Neal - Easily
Oscar Robertson - Easily
James Worthy - I'm a huge fan of Big Game James, but no way he's as versatile as Scottie.
David Robinson - Probably
George Mikan - LMFAO. You gotta be kidding me.
Rick Barry - I think so
Reggie Miller - Nope
Elgin Baylor - Yeah
Willis Reed - No
Kevin Garnett - Yes
Dominique Wilkens - No
Jason Kidd - No
Bob Pet - Yes
John Havlicek - Yes
Yup, that's it.
Just for reference:
Havlicek stats:
20.8 PPG, 6.3 RPG, 4.8 APG, .439 FG %
Pippen stats:
16.1 PPG, 6.4 RPG, 5.2 APG, .473 FG %
I'm pretty sure Havlicek can hold his own over Pippen. I'd put him over Pippen personally.
Not bad considering he was playing with the best offensive player of all time right beside him.
Mikan did average 22.3 PPG and 13.4 RPG in the NBA alone. Now, I haven't seen footage of his play, but I could reasonably see him being picked ahead of Pippen.
Rick Barry has the stats, but I'm too young/uneducated to know whether he had the same impact Pippen had.
I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure the 60's Celtics had some decent offensive players as well.
I don't recall any MJ's on those teams.
And Havlicek came off the bench!
The 6th man award exists because of him.
http://www.nba.com/history/players/havlicek_bio.html
Work on your reading comprehension. ^^ This guy understood what I was saying.
Work on stop picking players cuz he played for your team.
Pippen > what's his face
Are you a putz? Havlicek scored more than Pippen, COMING OFF THE BENCH.
From the link posted above:
There's nothing homerish about it. Trust me; I'll admit when I'm being a homer. I'm not here. Havlicek outranks Pippenin accomplishment, stats AND rings.He appeared in 13 consecutive NBA All-Star Games, earned 11 selections to the All-NBA First or Second Team and was named to the NBA All-Defensive First or Second Team eight times.
A classic example of his clutch performing occurred in the seventh game of the 1965 Eastern Division Finals against the Philadelphia 76ers. With only five seconds left in the game, he deflected an inbounds pass from Hal Greer to save a one-point Celtics victory, prompting broadcaster Johnny Most's legendary call, "Havlicek steals it. Over to Sam Jones. Havlicek stole the ball! It's all over! Johnny Havlicek stole the ball!"
The 1969-70 campaign put an end to the Celtics' dynasty. With Russell and Jones retired, the team failed to make the playoffs for the first time in 20 years. Under new coach Tom Heinsohn, Havlicek became a starter and the hub of Boston's offense. He had a sensational year, accomplishing the rare feat of leading his team in three categories: scoring (24.2 ppg), rebounding (7.8 rpg), and assists (6.8 apg). He ranked eighth in the league in scoring and seventh in assists.
In 1970-71 and 1971-72 he averaged 28.9 and 27.5 points, respectively. Despite having turned 30 years old in 1970, he led the league in minutes played for both of those seasons, averaging more than 45 minutes per game.
Edit: Oh, and let's not forget he won some rings as the Alpha Dog.
Gary Payton
Another subjective debate that is steeped in overrating/underrating a player who was the 2nd best player on quite possibly one of the best teams of all-time. As the old adage goes, w/o Pippen; Jordan doesnt' win six rings. He may win one or up to 3, but without Pippen being the sidekick, there is no way he makes two seperate 3-peats. To put the likes of Nash, Garnett, and even LeBron above him at this point is not right. While LeBron and Garnett have time to build on their legacies, Pippen shouldn't even be brought up in this manner. There were times when MJ would be struggling and Pippen would seem to not miss. There were also times when the two of them hounded a team's backcourt and just wrecked havoc.
So was he not good enough to start and he scored more points while playing against other team's bench players that leads you to this opinion? Or was it that he played more minutes than Pippen? Or maybe it was the weaker era? idk.
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