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I read a book about auerbach and Havlicek was the player he had as a 6th man so he could come in with fresh legs while the other team's players were beginning to get fatigued and score at will.
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I read a book about auerbach and Havlicek was the player he had as a 6th man so he could come in with fresh legs while the other team's players were beginning to get fatigued and score at will.
Scoring x amount of points off the bench isn't any harder than scoring x amount of points as a starter.....in fact it's probably easier.
Yes. Plus, I also posted that he scored 28 PPG as a starter, so it wasn't off inferior compe ion.
He was good enough to be a starter. But the coach wanted him to be the spark off the bench.
Think of a better version (much better) of Manu Ginobili.
Havlicek was often in at the end of the game. Even though he came off the bench, he still played significant minutes throughout his career.
SF better than him
Bird
Baylor
Dr J
havlicek
Rick Barry ?
I think I made my point about Hondo.
By the way:
Jerry West told Sports Illustrated, "The guy is the ambassador of our sport. John always gave his very best every night and had time for everybody-teammates, fans, the press." Cowens added, "You tell me how many class guys there are like him anywhere. They ought to retire his number from the whole NBA. Just take 17 and stash it up there in lights."
But the highest compliment may have come during a halftime salute in his final game at Boston Garden, in which Havlicek, in typical fashion, scored 29 points. "He epitomizes everything good," said Celtics General Manager Red Auerbach in The New York Times. "If I had a son like John I'd be the happiest man in the world."
Those 3 guys obviously better.
These next two, I dunno.
havlicek
Rick Barry ?
OK, Havlicek was used off the bench, but he was certainly good enough to start, he is Boston's all time scoring leader.
That's bull , scoring more points as a starter is easier for the simple reason that you play more minutes per game.
I haven't seen any of them play, but if you go by numbers then you should definitely put them ahead of Pippen.
Obviously if someone plays more minutes it's easier. If a player comes off the bench but still gets starter's minutes, it's not harder to score.
career:
Havlicek 36.6 minutes per game
Pippen 34.9 minutes per game
Nice try with the minutes argument.
If you come out off the bench you will never play the same minutes that you'd play as a starter, I know this for Manu.
Pippen led a 47 win team in points, rebounds, assists, blocks and steals......he's one of the most underrated players of all time.
Read the post just above this one^
Wow, that's a pretty damn amazing stat, I never knew that was even possible.
If Havlicek would have played as a starter his whole career he would have averaged more minutes per game (therefore more points per game) and if Pippen would have played his whole career as a sub he would have averaged less minutes per game (therefore less points per game).
That's what I was trying to say. I wasn't comparing Havlicek to Pippen.
Is there any way you can prove this^
The 6th man on a team plays starters minutes all the time.
Even though Manu came off the bench he averaged more minutes per game than Bonner 'cause Manu is the better player, but that's not the point I'm trying to make, what I tried to say is that if Manu would have played as a starter he would have played more and he would have had better numbers.
Didn't Lebron do that?
I feel bad for Pippen because of how much he was overshadowed by MJ. As annoying as it might be when Kobe/Lebron gets compared to MJ, it's even more annoying when Mo Williams gets compared to Pippen merely cause he's Lebron's side kick.
To be fair, Havlicek led his team in points, rebounds and assists.
Note that blocks and steals weren't recorded until 74. It's doubtful he would have led his team in blocks, but he might have in steals. (Steals were recorded for the last 4 years of his career, in which he was in the top 3 of Celtics players steal totals each year, 5 total.)The 1969-70 campaign put an end to the Celtics' dynasty. With Russell and Jones retired, the team failed to make the playoffs for the first time in 20 years. Under new coach Tom Heinsohn, Havlicek became a starter and the hub of Boston's offense. He had a sensational year, accomplishing the rare feat of leading his team in three categories: scoring (24.2 ppg), rebounding (7.8 rpg), and assists (6.8 apg). He ranked eighth in the league in scoring and seventh in assists
But not as many minutes as he could play starting the game from the get go.
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