50 players better than Pippen?

[sonic21]

Pippen has 0 final MVP, so i put him behind Hondo, Parker and Billups

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

He averages more points per game shooting at a lower percent when he starts, simply 'cause he plays more minutes. I think my point is made.

So you're admitting Manu would be a less efficient player if he was a full time starter?

[Allanon]

Pippen has 0 final MVP, so i put him behind Hondo, Parker and Billups

in fairness to Pippen, it's hard getting that MVP when you're playing with the greatest player ever

[jack sommerset]

Pipen is no top 50 player because of Jordans 6 rings. That logic throw Horry somewhere in front of Pipen.

[DAF86]

Yeah he did. You're under some idiotic misconception that coming off the bench limits the minutes you can play.

Is not idiotic. If you start you will probably play more minutes per game than if you come off the bench (you'll still average more minutes per game than lesser players than you, and not always) and if you play more minutes per game you will probably average better raw numbers.

[jack sommerset]

Pippen has 0 final MVP, so i put him behind Hondo, Parker and Billups

Parker made my day

[da_suns_fan]

For the era he was in, George Mikan was a heck of a player. Jerry West would be an amazing player TODAY. He averaged 27 PPG, 5.8 RPG, and 6.7 APG, plus he was clutch. Stockton is the all-time assists leader (and steals I believe as well). Kevin McHale was a beast.

And yet, you'd put LEBRON on there? After how many years in the league, and no rings yet?

This is some of the worst opinions Ive read on this board.

Did you ever even see McHale and Stockton ever play? How bout Pippen?

I can tell you at no time in the 80s or 90s would I have EVER chosen to face Pippen over those two. Pippen was just a natural basketball player in every sense of the word.

That being said, he just wasnt the bizzare physical anomaly that LeBron is. No one has EVER been that big, that fast and that fluid. He still needs to work on his shooting and he cant do it alone, but theres no way in anyone would choose Stockton, McHale or even Pippen over LeBron if they were going to choose a teammate for five on five.

[DAF86]

So you're admitting Manu would be a less efficient player if he was a full time starter?

His PER stat would definitely take a hit, but his raw numbers will increase.

[da_suns_fan]

Robinson>>Pippen.

Sorry, but no.

Duncan? Yes. The Admiral? No.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Pipen is no top 50 player because of Jordans 6 rings. That logic throw Horry somewhere in front of Pipen.

You can't compare the best side kick in NBA history to someone who was like the 8th man on every championship team he played on.

MJ has as many rings w/o Pippen as Pippen has w/o MJ. MJ doesn't win if Scottie isn't on his team.

In fact, MJ never led the Bulls to 50 wins when Scottie wasn't on his team. The Bulls did however have a 50 win season when MJ was playing baseball and Scottie was the best player.

[Amaso]

Pippen is so underrated, you'd expect better from fans that like basketball enough to post on internet forums about it.

[LnGrrrR]

This is some of the worst opinions Ive read on this board.

Did you ever even see McHale and Stockton ever play? How bout Pippen?

I can tell you at no time in the 80s or 90s would I have EVER chosen to face Pippen over those two. Pippen was just a natural basketball player in every sense of the word.

That being said, he just wasnt the bizzare physical anomaly that LeBron is. No one has EVER been that big, that fast and that fluid. He still needs to work on his shooting and he cant do it alone, but theres no way in anyone would choose Stockton, McHale or even Pippen over LeBron if they were going to choose a teammate for five on five.

I'm not talking about who'd you pick in a pickup game.

We're talking about who the best 50 players ever were. What they did in their career is a valid and important indicator. People who made the clutch shots, got the awards, and whatnot.

Is it really a surprise that Lebron is bigger and faster than players from the 50s? Considering players of EVERY sport are larger, faster, stronger? You have to compare players to the compe ion they went up against back in the day. It's a testament to the skill of people like Russell and Chamberlain that it's even discussed whether they could ball with players of today.

Edit: Lebron IS a singular talent; however, I'm not putting him over Pippen yet.

[da_suns_fan]

Pippen is so underrated, you'd expect better from fans that like basketball enough to post on internet forums about it.

Well I don know how "underrated" you can be when youre on the 50 best players of all time list.

But I agree that the lack of respect on this thread is ridiculous and I HAVE to attribute it to too many clueless kids on summer vacation.

[DAF86]

Sorry, but no.

Duncan? Yes. The Admiral? No.

Robinson > Pippen - it shouldn't even be debatable

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Well I don know how "underrated" you can be when youre on the 50 best players of all time list.

You're underrated when you're as good as Pippen was and ESPN is comparing you to Mo Williams.

[da_suns_fan]

I'm not talking about who'd you pick in a pickup game.

We're talking about who the best 50 players ever were. What they did in their career is a valid and important indicator. People who made the clutch shots, got the awards, and whatnot.

Is it really a surprise that Lebron is bigger and faster than players from the 50s? Considering players of EVERY sport are larger, faster, stronger? You have to compare players to the compe ion they went up against back in the day. It's a testament to the skill of people like Russell and Chamberlain that it's even discussed whether they could ball with players of today.

Edit: Lebron IS a singular talent; however, I'm not putting him over Pippen yet.

Huh?

So "50 players better than Pippen" turns into "50 careers better than Pippen?"

I have no desire to count rings, awards etc.

You guys be my guest.

[LnGrrrR]

Huh?

So "50 players better than Pippen" turns into "50 careers better than Pippen?"

I have no desire to count rings, awards etc.

You guys be my guest.

Sheesh.

Using your logic, then all the best NFL lineman ever are pretty much playing today, because they're all ridiculously huge AND fast.

The best 50 players should not just be a straight-up comparison, but a comparison of how much they dominated the league at the time they were playing.

[da_suns_fan]

Robinson > Pippen - it shouldn't even be debatable

Lets see. Both Robinson and Pipper were only able to get to the respective conference finals as the best player on their team. They both played in the same era for about the same amount of years. They both won multiple championships as second fiddle to a truly epic "top ten ever" player yet its not even "debatable" who was better?

Sorry, but if I had both staring back at me and I had to choose one I would pick Pippen any day of the week. He was just better at winning basketball games.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Lets see. Both Robinson and Pipper were only able to get to the respective conference finals as the best player on their team. They both played in the same era for about the same amount of years. They both won multiple championships as second fiddle to a truly epic "top ten ever" player yet its not even "debatable" who was better?

[da_suns_fan]

Sheesh.

Using your logic, then all the best NFL lineman ever are pretty much playing today, because they're all ridiculously huge AND fast.

The best 50 players should not just be a straight-up comparison, but a comparison of how much they dominated the league at the time they were playing.

Thats not necessarily true.

I have no problem with Kareem, Magic and Bird being in the "top ten EVER" list even though all of them were in their respective primes over 20 years ago.

It doesnt matter, they would still be just as dominant today.

Mikan wouldnt dominate today. Neither would West. McHale didnt dominate in his own prime!

[sonic21]

Lets see. Both Robinson and Pipper were only able to get to the respective conference finals as the best player on their team. They both played in the same era for about the same amount of years. They both won multiple championships as second fiddle to a truly epic "top ten ever" player yet its not even "debatable" who was better?

Sorry, but if I had both staring back at me and I had to choose one I would pick Pippen any day of the week. He was just better at winning basketball games.

why? they were both great defensively and Drob was by far a better offensive player.

[IronMexican]

I can't even pretend to try and piss spurfans off when it comes to Robinson or Pippen. D-Rob is a lot better.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

why? they were both great defensively and Drob was a better offensive player.

IMO they're not very comparable, but Pippen wasn't the featured offensive player during his prime, up until Robinson was in his 30's he was the focal point of his team.

[LnGrrrR]

Thats not necessarily true.

I have no problem with Kareem, Magic and Bird being in the "top ten EVER" list even though all of them were in their respective primes over 20 years ago.

It doesnt matter, they would still be just as dominant today.

Mikan wouldnt dominate today. Neither would West. McHale didnt dominate in his own prime!

McHale went to 7 All-Star games, 6 of them straight. 6 All defense teams (3 1st, 3 2nd). 1 All-NBA. (Yes, I know Pippen has better accolades here.)

Now, if you want to argue that Pippen is better than McHale, sure I'll hear that, and might even agree. I'm willing to adjust the list... that's the point of this thread. None of this is set in stone.

[DAF86]

Lets see. Both Robinson and Pipper were only able to get to the respective conference finals as the best player on their team. They both played in the same era for about the same amount of years. They both won multiple championships as second fiddle to a truly epic "top ten ever" player yet its not even "debatable" who was better?

Sorry, but if I had both staring back at me and I had to choose one I would pick Pippen any day of the week. He was just better at winning basketball games.

I don't know what's so funny, I'm pretty sure that if you ask, 90% of the basketball fans in the world will tell you that Robinson is better than Pippen without a doubt.