It's funny how easily the two could have been on the same team.
point is the market knows best. If you are good enough to be a franchise player, eventually some GM will try to build a team around you. Else you will get traded and become a second fiddle. If you are not a clear cut franchise player, no business being in the top 10 all time.
And no in way Robinson > Barkley, Barkley has him beat stat wise and career achievement wise.
These are the only NBA players better than Pippen:
Michael Jordan
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
Bill Russell
Wilt Chamberlain
Larry Bird
Magic Johnson
Shaquille O'Neal
Tim Duncan
Karl Malone
Kobe Bryant
Bob Pet
Oscar Robertson
Jerry West
Elgin Baylor
Hakeem Olajuwon
Bob Cousy
John Havlicek
Sam Jones
Equal to Pippen:
Moses Malone
George Mikan
Pippin is basically a top 20 all-time NBA player.
Barkley:
22.1 points, 11.7 rebounds, 3.9 assists, 54% shooting
Robinson:
21.1 points, 10.6 rebounds, 2.5 assists, 52% shooting
Robinson has also not gotten as far as Barkley as the #1 option on his team.
Also, look at playoff stats:
Barkley:
23 points, 12.9 rebounds, 3.9 assists, 51% shooting
Robinson:
18.1 points, 10.6 rebounds, 2.3 assists, 48% shooting
One stepped up for the playoffs throughout his career, while the other faded.
Robinson played longer as a role player than Barkley that's why his career stats are worse than Charles'. But David was a beast during his prime.
Robinson had 6 seasons where he the role player to Duncan
Barkley had 4 seasons as the role player to Olajuwon, and 2 seasons as the role player to Moses Malone, so he, like Robinson, had 6 seasons as the role player to a dominant big man.
This board must be full of poster who were born in the late 80's and early 90's.
Pippen is SO UNDER APPRECIATED. His stats don't tell the whole story, but look at his resume:
17 seasons
6 Time NBA Champion
7 Time All NBA Team Selection (3-1st Team Selections, 2 -2nd Team)
10 Time All Defensive Team Selection (8 times selected to the 1st Team)
1994 All Star MVP (while Jordan was playing baseball)
1 of 50 Greatest Players for 50th Year NBA Anniversary
Everyone says he was nothing without Jordan, but look at his how his stats increased while Jordan played baseball yet he played the same number of minutes.
92-93 w/ Jordan: 38 minutes, 47% FG, 23% 3pt, 66% FT, 7.7 Reb, 6.3 ast, 2.1 stl, 0.9 blks, 18.6 ppg
93-94 no Jordan: 38 minutes, 49% FG, 32% 3pt, 66% FT, 8.7 reb, 5.6 ast, 2.9 stl, 0.8 blk, 22.0 ppg
94-95 stats (Jordan only played last few games wearing #45)
38 minutes 48% FG, 34% 3pt, 72 % FT, 8.1 reb, 5.2 ast, 2.9 stl, 1.1 blk, 21.4 ppg
He played the same minutes as he did before jordan left and stepped up his game. Only area that went down was assists, which is understandable since anyone can rack up assists by passing the ball to MJ and letting him go to work. Yet even without Jordan he averaged more than 5 asts as a SF.
The guy was a stat stuffer. Look at those steal and block numbers for a 6'8" small forward. This isn't a 6'11" SF like we have in the NBA today. He was a TRUE ATHLETE.
Alot of you guys on here are all about scoring. They gotta average 24ppg or they are not a Top 50 player... blah blah blah....
I call bull ! The guy was a TRUE all around player. A perrenial ALL NBA Selection AND a perrenial ALL Defensive Team selection. 10 TIMES!!!! 8 of those 10 he was first team, meaning the best defensive SF in ALL OF BASKETBALL for 8 years, during a time in the NBA known for tough defensive play!
There is no way you can truly say there are 50 players better than him. Unless you are a run-n-gun Suns fan, you can't discount Pippen's defense. It is unmatched as a SF.
I could be wrong, but I DOUBT there are 5 small forwards that can match or beat Pippen's resume BOTH offensively AND DEFENSIVELY. 7 Time ALL-NBA, 10 Time All-Defense. Someone, please prove me wrong...
If ABA included, then add in Dr. J and Rick Barry.
I don't think we can name 50 ahead of pippen
All except the very top...Bryant, Duncan, Wade and LeBron. Duncan is close because Duncan right now is on the back end of his career. I'd draft Duncan over him though...for obvious reasons. Dirk would be close too, because though Dirk is one of the greatest scoring forwards ever, his overall value is pretty close to Pippen when you consider Pippen's all around game.
I'd take Pippen over Melo, Parker, Paul, D. Howard, Amare, Nash, Garnett, Pierce, Iguodala, Gasol...did I miss anyone?
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Kukoc gets picked to take (and make) one shot in the playoffs against the Knicks, and now he's more clutch than Pippen!?
You are certifiable.
LMAO! Disagree with these.
There are probably 30 players tops that are better than Pippen in NBA history.
Tell the whole story....
D-Rob (career):
1.41 Steals, 2.99 Blocks, 2.45 Turnovers in 34.7mins per.
Charles (career):
1.54 Steals, .83 Blocks, 3.15 Turnovers in 36.7mins per.
To be fair on Robinson too, he only played in the Playoffs after they drafted Tim Duncan (and after D-Rob got hurt for a whole season) and thus his stats were never going to be that huge. Pre-Duncan playoffs probably would have seen him putting up near 25 and 14 stats with 3.5-4 blocks.
Pippen is a top 30 imo
, wow talk about self-ownage.
Pippen is probably top 30, definitely top 40 or so. However ... are you ers seriously comparing David to Pippen?
If David Robinson had had the luxury of joining Michael Jordan when he came into the NBA as a rookie, the Bulls would have had at least 8 les. Jordan/DRob would have been the most lethal twosome of all time.
When Pip came into the NBA in 87-88 he was a rookie who couldn't crack the starting rotation and put up like 8 PPG / 4 RPG a game. Pippen's first 3 years in the league saw Jordan put up monster stats - the kind that hadn't been seen since Wilt in his prime. But the Bulls weren't contenders because Pippen took a while to develop. Those days Jordan would put public pressure on Bulls management to get him better players. Yes Pippen blossomed into a terrific complementary piece later on, but let's wait a while before comparing him to Robinson.
When David came into the league in 89-90 he put up monster numbers straight away (24 PPG, 12 RPG, 4 BPG) and was runaway rookie of the year. DRob's rookie season is one of the top 100 most productive season performances in NBA history easily. If that DRob had joined Jordan who was himself producing at historic levels, they would have run a train on the rest of the NBA.
Moving on, Robinson became one of the most efficient players in NBA history. If you rank the top 30 individual season PERs in NBA history, only 5 players figure 3 times or more:
Michael Jordan (7 times)
Shaq (6 times)
Robinson (3 times)
Wilt (3 times)
Kareem (3 times)
Pippen could never ever have put up the numbers that Robinson put up as a # 1 option: he just didn't have the offensive firepower. On defense, DRob was a DPOY winner and perennial DPOY candidate and All-defense team member playing with mediocre defensive teammates in his prime. Whereas Pippen came into a team which already had a ridiculously good defender in Jordan, and numerous additions like Grant, Rodman, Harper etc.
Bottomline, Pippen couldn't possibly have done what Robinson did. Pippen did take a team of seasoned veterans w/o Jordan to the ECSF. But that ranks nowhere near Robinson taking a team with role players like Avery, Vinny del Negro, Sean Elliott, Chuck Person, and some assorted trash to five 55+ win seasons that included 1 WCF and 3 WCSFs. No way Pippen could have broken even 45 wins with the kind of trash DRob had to play with.
Whereas DRob could very conceivably have done what Pippen did as second fiddle. DRob playing off of MJ would have been even more efficient than what he was - and he was one of the most efficient of all-time while being the sole offensive player who could create his own shot on his team.
I love Pippen, but this argument is now becoming as hilarious as Laker fans claiming Kobe was as good or better than Shaq during their 3-peat. Pippen played a very good supporting role, but had he landed on a team that was as lacking in talent as the Admiral's Spurs he wouldn't even have become as famous as Bernard King or Alex English or Dominique. The only reason he made it into the top 50 was that he found himself in a pretty solid Bulls squad with the GOAT at his prime.
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Never mind one played most of his playoff games while in his prime, while the other played a large chunk of his playoff games after two career altering injuries.
Robinson was by far a better defender, a better passer, about equal as a scorer, slightly less as a rebounder, and carried a team with Vinny Del Negro as its starting shooting guard and Avery Johnson as a starting PG to playoff after playoffs. The year he was hurt, the Spurs won about 30 less games than the previous season.
That's why I put them near the bottom.
Do people honestly think LeBron, right now, is a better player than Pippen? I'd still take Pippen over LeBron. LeBron has the potential to be better than Pippen, but I'd say he needs to put up that body of work first. His MVP this year is a good start, of course.
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