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Hear, hear!If you want to blame someone in this fiasco, blame Emelianenko.
It’s 100 percent his fault.
What the , guys? It's 2330 and you're all here. People need to sleep, or didn't you get that memo?
thanks!
Hear, hear!If you want to blame someone in this fiasco, blame Emelianenko.
It’s 100 percent his fault.
What the , guys? It's 2330 and you're all here. People need to sleep, or didn't you get that memo?
Wow...genius breakdown...
You do realize he's fought in the US and passed tests before right? No reason to think he's on roids anymore than anybody else in the UFC might be.
WTF?
The last 3 fights they've lined up were against top 5 HW's when he fought them (although Barnett didn't happen). How is he fighting "cans"?? Which HW's aren't cans??
You mean against Tim Sylvia who is one of the biggest jokes in MMA and an Arlovski who lost to Sylvia twice? Hank, you have always been a huge detractor of Sylvia. Don't tout his rankings now.
That's why I have always thought that MMA rankings were bull . Look at how some of these Pride guys were so highly ranked through their careers and then came to the UFC and flopped (or hardly dominated like the rankings suggested they might): Shogun, Nog, Cro-Cop, Werdum, Paulo Filho (WEC), Wanderlei Silva, etc.
So who else has Fedor beat of significance recently? Mark Hunt who has zero ground game? Choi Hong-man who had an impressive victory over Jose Canseco?Matt Lindland who usually fights at middleweight?
Sorry, but if you think his fighting resume has been impressive the past few years, then your head is in the sand. You are right about him taking the Barnett fight, but he sure as won't get those caliber opponents fighting in Strikeforce.
Don't be so much of a Fedor homer that you won't admit him ducking the UFC was a flakey move.
I've never liked Tim Sylvia (at all) but you can't deny his place in the HW division over the last 4 years. The fact that Fedor beat him isn't impressive to me, but he beat him like nobody ever had up to that point (of course ignoring his 50 lbs over-weight 1 punch loss to Mercer a couple months ago). Fedor completely smoked him when he was a still a valid HW. He's a tough matchup and going into that fight many of the Fedor nay sayers were picking Tim. After the fight, they pointed to how much Tim sucks. They did the same with Arlovski. They would've done the same with Barnett had that fight happened and Fedor won it. It's going to keep happening until he's in the UFC.
Arlovski is still a solid HW, despite your mma math with Sylvia. Especially the "new and improved" AA that Fedor was supposed to be fighting.
The few years prior to Sylvia and Arlovski were nothing special. Hunt and Coleman were decent at best. I didn't say his resume over the past few years was impressive did I? I was referring to the fights they've lined up for him for the past year. You can't call those guys "cans" IMO.
I just don't see it as him "ducking" the UFC because of who fights there...
Please explain how nog and filho have flopped? granted filho did flip his lid but the guy was amazing until he went insane in that sonnen fight. nog only has one loss in a fight that he should have postponed. even shogun is 2-1 and fighting for the le at ufc 104. have rampage and hendo also been flops? what about anderson silva? i dunno what their rankings were when they came to the ufc so if you can enlighten me that would be good.
Yeah, we saw that with Brett Rogers
I guess these naysayers ignored the fact that Sylvia got beat by a much smaller and older Couture, and then lost to Nog in his last UFC fight. Hey, I'm not questioning Fedor's talent here. Any MMA fan who knows their stuff knew Tim winning would be a huge longshot.
At 5-6 Hunt certainly hasn't shown himself to be a successful MMA fighter, getting submitted in 5 of his 6 losses. As for Coleman, his best years were behind him when he faced Fedor, but you are right in him not being a "can".
Anyway, you know damn well that he will get better compe ion in the UFC than anywhere else. He knew this, he knows the fans want to see him in the UFC, but refuses no matter how great the contract the UFC would offer him. Think about it, do you think anyone would prefer seeing him in Strikeforce than in the UFC?
Did I say all Pride fighters were flops? Or did I specifically name certain fighters?
I didn't mention Dan because he is one of my favorite fighters. But you can't say that his UFC debut coming from Pride was successful. He was the Pride Middleweight Champion and the Pride Welterweight Champion going into the UFC. Then his 1st 2 UFC fights were le bouts for the light heavyweight & middleweight championship and he lost them both. Hardly a successful transition.
Rua was ranked above Forrest Griffin (can't remember his ranking exactly) and was heavily favored is his debut UFC fight and lost that one.
As for Filho, some (Leonard was one of them) were saying that he was too good for the WEC and should be in the UFC since he had a #1 ranking. You can't say he has a successful stint in the WEC with all of 3 fights. , he missed an event that he was supposed to headline because he was in substance abuse rehab, and then pathetically was not able to make weight in a le bout in another event and lost to Chael Sonnen. You say that wasn't a flop?
As for Nog, I thought he was going to take the Heavyweight Championship with no problem. It was a big letdown for me when he lost to Mir. Flop may be a harsh word in his case. I just say that because my expectations for him were high.
Anyway, the fighters I have mentioned had inflated pre-UFC rankings in my opinion. Many of them got a big reality check when they got into the UFC. That's not to say that they all suck and are bad fighters. They just had to get taken down a few notches.
Last edited by IX_Equilibrium; 08-03-2009 at 11:04 PM.
Maybe Rogers is the next big thing...you don't know that he's not do you? Still an unknown for the most part with just 1 high profile win (same # as Cain, Dos Santos, and Carwin...right?).Yeah, we saw that with Brett Rogers
I guess these naysayers ignored the fact that Sylvia got beat by a much smaller and older Couture, and then lost to Nog in his last UFC fight. Hey, I'm not questioning Fedor's talent here. Any MMA fan who knows their stuff knew Tim winning would be a huge longshot.
At 5-6 Hunt certainly hasn't shown himself to be a successful MMA fighter, getting submitted in 5 of his 6 losses. As for Coleman, his best years were behind him when he faced Fedor, but you are right in him not being a "can".
Anyway, you know damn well that he will get better compe ion in the UFC than anywhere else. He knew this, he knows the fans want to see him in the UFC, but refuses no matter how great the contract the UFC would offer him. Think about it, do you think anyone would prefer seeing him in Strikeforce than in the UFC?
Hunt was around #10 in the rankings when Fedor fought him. He's not a well rounded MMA fighter but he's still a threat while the fight is standing anyway.
I would prefer that he be in the UFC of course, but I understand why he's not. This isn't the end of the world IMO. It's a 1 yr contract and he should fight 3 guys in the top 15 in the next year, possibly including Barnett at some point also. Then we'll be right back to Dana kissing ass trying to get him again. I'm a Fedor homer because of how he fights, his sportsmanship, his demeanor, etc. The fact that he's not in the UFC isn't going to cause me to flip on the guy, call him a pussy, wish failure on him, or some of the other things I'm reading from people.
According you, he doesn't want to deal with Dana, so he won't be going to the UFC later. He'll just be fighting these ultra-talented guys outside the UFC.
Dana will have to step it up a little more next time I guess...he got closer this time than he did a couple years ago. I'm sure he'd fight for Dana if they cleared all the hurdles...
"hurdles" huh? You mean, making stupid demands? You mean, like Dana should co-promote with M-1?
Dana doesn't need Fedor, it's been proven. The world will go on and Fedor will always be that question mark. Whether he's afraid of compe ion or he's just a tool remains to be seen.
Step it up, he was reportedly offered the richest contract in the history of MMA. His first fight was going to be a guaranteed le shot with Brock, that surely would bring in over a mil PPV buys. Likely netting him that 5 mil or close to it, that was reported. So one fight in the UFC and he'd be 5 mil richer. The deal was as sweet as it was going to get and then some.. UFC is never co-promoting with M1 and that appears to be the only way Fedor's nut-job MGT does business. So by Hurdles you can only mean the Co-Promotion, so he's never fighting in the UFC then..
Again, I don't put any stock in rankings. If it would be a K-1 fight, I'd have been excited. There was no doubt that Fedor was going to submit him.
But not the same as Lesnar. As much as I hate Lesnar, he has defeated 2 former UFC Heavyweight champions.
What type of interest would Rogers/Fedor or a Werdum/Fedor generate verses a Lesnar/Fedor matchup?? I think even you who are blinded by your "Fedor can do no wrong" at ude knows that.
I don't think he is a pussy. I would love nothing more than for Fedor to come to the UFC, kick Lesnar's ass, and be the UFC Heavyweight champ. So you understand why he isn't fighting for the UFC? You said Dana needs to step up to the plate more? Leonard, you're ing high.
Although Dana isn't a likable person, he knows this business. He knows that Fedor vs. Lesnar would be the biggest MMA fight in history. Fedor could shut up all doubters with one fight, be the UFC heavyweight champ, and get even richer while accomplishing all of that. But no, he would rather fight Brett Rogers or Werdum
He deserves every but of the he is getting. Not enough money? Sure...
Last edited by IX_Equilibrium; 08-04-2009 at 04:33 PM.
I'm not taking anything away from Lesnar. Fedor's last 2 fights were wins against former UFC HW champs also.
Maybe you missed it, but everything I've been talking about with regards to UFC HW's is OUTSIDE of the Lesnar matchup, which is what I really want to see. I'm saying that the guys he'll fight in SF are on par with the guys in the UFC not named Lesnar.
Of course Fedor vs Lesnar would generate insane interest and PPV buys...I've never stated (or hinted at?) that it wouldn't. That's a no-brainer.
I think that Nog, Mir, and Lesnar would beat anybody in Strikeforce other than Fedor. It would be interesting to see what Cain and Carwin would do against those guys too.
Right, and that's why Fedor signing with the UFC after Dana has bent over backwards should be a no-brainer.
I think Mir is incredibly over-rated after beating a s of the former Nog (knee, staff, whatever the case was with him that night). He'll be doing well to beat Kongo IMO.
Nog is a tough fight for anybody as long as he's healthy. But even then, he's not even close to what he was 4 years ago. I think the SF guys matchup well with him now (not with Nog of the past though).
Cain and Carwin would good matchups with the SF HW's. I'm a Carwin homer too, by the way. War ME's...lol
Well, Mir isn't overrated anymore. That being said, you can't deny that his standup has improved big time over the past 2 years. Plus his BJJ has had to have improved working with Drysdale. I'd put money on Mir to smoke anyone in Strikeforce other than Fedor.
I'm happy for Mir in that he's returned from his accident and done well the past 2 yrs (as opposed to Mir of 2006), but I'm not sold on just how good he is yet. His striking was great against Nog, but he was a zombie in that fight. I think he'll have problems with Kongo, who isn't easy to takedown and sub these days. I'll be pulling for Mir, but not feeling good about it.
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