Can we finally call Matt Leinart are complete bust?

[IronMexican]

Hasselback should be thanking sweet baby Jesus Mark Sanchez isn't taking his job this season.

[IronMexican]

And no USC is going to have a lot of busts when they are producing the most players for the NFL. UF probably has the worst track record of all 5 star programs. I couldn't name 5 good NFL players from that school. They produce nothing on offense(Also have the worst track record regarding WR's) and have a couple of defensive players.

[Dr. Gonzo]

Emmitt Smith

[Dr. Gonzo]

Fred Taylor

[Dr. Gonzo]

Matt Bonner

[johngateswhiteley]

Hey Johngateswhiteley,

First off, can you really consider Cassel a USC QB? Ya the guy was penciled in there as a bench player but, Cassel spent time at tight end and wide receiver in 2001, and some special teams that year. He started at halfback against California once as well, even making his lone collegiate start at that position. During his four seasons there, Cassel completed 19 of 33 passes for 192 yards, with no touchdowns and one interception. -- BRAVO...BR-AAA-FREAKIN-O

So can you consider him at tightend and halfback as well...please.

I'd rather have these guys

From Boston College...please give a warm welcome to:

1) Matt Ryan
2) Matt Hasselbeck

and ... representing Purdue University

1) Kyle Orton
2) Drew Brees

Do USC QB's get paid, ya they do, but do they perform, that remains to be seen my friend.

Palmer has done it, I'll give ya that. Cassel and the fairy dust "The Hoody" sprinkled on him won't last in KC. Sanchez is my boy, see I'm a Jets fan, and there's already word that he'll be sitting to start the year because he's not reading defenses fast enough and does more dancing than throwing.

I will give you this pal, if all three of you U SUCK CALIFORNIA QB's do well, I will come back in here and PIMP you out like no other, but until then, as my first grade teacher use to say to me, "Young man, shut up and sit down!!!"

--PG

and yet, Cassel took reps and improved at the position...there is nothing to argue. and no reason to shut up and sit down, fool.

Palmer, before injury, was better than any QB you mentioned, save perhaps Brees. and even then, he was right there.

Ryan is as proven as Cassel...and i'd take Cassel right now.

further, grading Sanchez (not that you are) or Leinart, as of now, is childish...for reasons i've mentioned.

last, Palmer and Cassel's small success entirely alleviates USC from this ridiculous discussion...

[PaulGreco]

Are you seriouse IRON....ERRR..."RONMEXICO"

U SUCK CALIFORNIA has "good" college qb's I'm not debating that, but NFL QB's, please!!!

As I said up above, if all three produce at the NFL level this year I will come back and take my spanking from you like a man.

But until then, sorry bro, the numbers don't add up.

Oh ya, btw, if Dirty Sanchez can't beat out a piece of crap QB like Kellen Clemens what does that say about him???

As far as Kyle Orton goes, I think you'll see the QB that he was last year, but better. He now has, get this, it might be hard for you to understand, but, wide receivers that can actually catch the ball, not converted DB's.

--PG

[manufan10]

Matt Bonner

That one made me laugh.

[IronMexican]

Emmit Smith and Fred Taylor are always the two players I can name on O. On D, they have Derrick Harvey.

[johngateswhiteley]

And no USC is going to have a lot of busts when they are producing the most players for the NFL. UF probably has the worst track record of all 5 star programs. I couldn't name 5 good NFL players from that school. They produce nothing on offense(Also have the worst track record regarding WR's) and have a couple of defensive players.

another good point. lots of players entering the NFL from SC...

[manufan10]

And no USC is going to have a lot of busts when they are producing the most players for the NFL. UF probably has the worst track record of all 5 star programs. I couldn't name 5 good NFL players from that school. They produce nothing on offense(Also have the worst track record regarding WR's) and have a couple of defensive players.

I think they also have a horrible track record of producing QB's. When "The old ball coach" Steve Spurrier was there, they had awesome QB's but they never translated into the NFL game.

[IronMexican]

Are you seriouse IRON....ERRR..."RONMEXICO"

U SUCK CALIFORNIA has "good" college qb's I'm not debating that, but NFL QB's, please!!!

As I said up above, if all three produce at the NFL level this year I will come back and take my spanking from you like a man.

But until then, sorry bro, the numbers don't add up.

Oh ya, btw, if Dirty Sanchez can't beat out a piece of crap QB like Kellen Clemens what does that say about him???

As far as Kyle Orton goes, I think you'll see the QB that he was last year, but better. He now has, get this, it might be hard for you to understand, but, wide receivers that can actually catch the ball, not converted DB's.

--PG

What do you expect, every 5 star program to have 5 Super star QB's in the NFL? they produced 3 top 10 NFL QB's. So far, one out of two are good and the jury sis still out on the other.


Edit: After I worded that out wrong. I meant to say 3 top 10 draft pick QB's this decade.

[Dr. Gonzo]

Brian Cushing is the next Mike Singletary, only sexier.

[PaulGreco]

Ryan is as proven as Cassel...and i'd take Cassel right now.

Are you serious? Are you really trying to come in here and prove a point when you have a first round draft pick, compared to a guy who went in the seventh. If I remember correctly, Cassel played between Coach Carroll's sneezes.

So ya, I can say he has A LOT more experience than Cassel.

--PG

[Dr. Gonzo]

Matt Ryan benefited from a great running game. I think he and Cassel are about equal.

[IronMexican]

Brian Cushing is the next Mike Singletary, only sexier.

He's a baller.


I think he and Maualuga will be good in the NFL. Clay Matthews was a product of USC, imo. I will root for all of them, though.

[dirk4mvp]

Ryan is as proven as Cassel...and i'd take Cassel right now.

[IronMexican]

Are you serious? Are you really trying to come in here and prove a point when you have a first round draft pick, compared to a guy who went in the seventh. If I remember correctly, Cassel played between Coach Carroll's sneezes.

So ya, I can say he has A LOT more experience than Cassel.

--PG

I can say he doesn't. What year was Cassel drafted, 2003 or 4? He sat all that time behind Brady. I can almost guarantee you that Cassel is a lot more "experienced"

I'd take Matty Ice over him, though.

[samikeyp]

think first...

Simmer down Mary. You know I was giving you .

That being said....I think to this point, yes, Leinart has been a bust however, there is still time to change that.

Carson Palmer I would put in the second tier of QB's (the first being Brady and Peyton) I think he is a good QB and has overcome flaky talent and a bad front office not to mention a bad knee injury. If he was on a team with more weapons...damn.

Sanchez-too soon.

Booty-back up at best

Cassell-too soon. He did a good job as a backup on a loaded team, now we need to see what he does as the #1 guy.

[dirk4mvp]

ole miss nfl players > usc nfl players

[johngateswhiteley]

Are you serious? Are you really trying to come in here and prove a point when you have a first round draft pick, compared to a guy who went in the seventh. If I remember correctly, Cassel played between Coach Carroll's sneezes.

So ya, I can say he has A LOT more experience than Cassel.

--PG

where was Tom Brady drafted, genius? it doesn't always matter. And Cassel had much more pressure to perform playing on a playoff team replacing Tom Brady. Ryan had zero pressure...nothing was expected...but his team played well. they had a great running game.

KC sucks something awful..so we'll see what Cassel does. its going to be tough.

[PaulGreco]

where was Tom Brady drafted, genius? it doesn't always matter. And Cassel had much more pressure to perform playing on a playoff team replacing Tom Brady. Ryan had zero pressure...nothing was expected...but his team played well. they had a great running game.

KC sucks something awful..so we'll see what Cassel does. its going to be tough.

Hey John, first off, thank you so much for letting me know I'm a genius. That really is really great of you.

So here is my PIMP-SLAP-IN-THE-FACE Moment

Ummm, John, ya Brady was a starter at Michigan, as a matter of fact, lets see, Brady ultimately started every game in the 1998 and 1999 seasons under Michigan head coach Lloyd Carr. During his first full year as starter, he set Michigan records for most pass attempts and completions in a season (214).Brady was All-Big Ten (honorable mention) both seasons and team captain his senior year. The Wolverines won 20 of 25 games when he started and shared the Big Ten Conference le in 1998. Brady capped that season off with a win over Arkansas in the Citrus Bowl. In the 1999 season, Brady led Michigan to an overtime win in the Orange Bowl over Alabama, throwing for 369 yards and four touchdowns.

That right there is pretty close to Cassel's numbers in college, no wait a minute, I retrack that, Cassel never started as a QB in college. And you called me a genius. Silly rabbit, tricks are for kids.

--PG

[johngateswhiteley]

Simmer down Mary. You know I was giving you .

That being said....I think to this point, yes, Leinart has been a bust however, there is still time to change that.

Carson Palmer I would put in the second tier of QB's (the first being Brady and Peyton) I think he is a good QB and has overcome flaky talent and a bad front office not to mention a bad knee injury. If he was on a team with more weapons...damn.

Sanchez-too soon.

Booty-back up at best

Cassell-too soon. He did a good job as a backup on a loaded team, now we need to see what he does as the #1 guy.

that comment was for Greco...i only quoted you because you were right. it got me out of my lounge chair/pounding bloody marys.

Palmer has overcome a lot of obstacles...dude is very good. i agree about Cassel...he played well.

[samikeyp]

it got me out of my lounge chair/pounding bloody marys.

I literally 'd on that. Good stuff!

You don't agree with him which is cool because it wouldn't be fun if we all agreed but Greco is the goods. Dude is going to be famous....and he will need a sidekick...just throwing that out there.

[johngateswhiteley]

Hey John, first off, thank you so much for letting me know I'm a genius. That really is really great of you.

So here is my PIMP-SLAP-IN-THE-FACE Moment

Ummm, John, ya Brady was a starter at Michigan, as a matter of fact, lets see, Brady ultimately started every game in the 1998 and 1999 seasons under Michigan head coach Lloyd Carr. During his first full year as starter, he set Michigan records for most pass attempts and completions in a season (214).Brady was All-Big Ten (honorable mention) both seasons and team captain his senior year. The Wolverines won 20 of 25 games when he started and shared the Big Ten Conference le in 1998. Brady capped that season off with a win over Arkansas in the Citrus Bowl. In the 1999 season, Brady led Michigan to an overtime win in the Orange Bowl over Alabama, throwing for 369 yards and four touchdowns.

That right there is pretty close to Cassel's numbers in college, no wait a minute, I retrack that, Cassel never started as a QB in college. And you called me a genius. Silly rabbit, tricks are for kids.

--PG

you made a comment about Cassel being drafted in the 7th round, did you not? Brady was drafted in the 6th...your point is now negated. like i said, it doesn't always matter where you were drafted.

i don't care what Brady did in college, obviously he wasn't that great...he's been great in the NFL, though. this conversation is losing course.