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  1. #226
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    I will echo what others have said.

    Champions don't have to prove themselves to anyone. They are the best until proven otherwise.

  2. #227
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    You are beginning to sound like a dam info commercial.. Lakers haven't improved this off season. The Lakers used their speed and length to win a le this year.. This team just got slower and lost length. Ariza > Artest. Artest won't make other players tougher, it doesn't work like that, especially influence from that guy. The Lakers bench are mostly scrubs just along for the ride, I wouldn't count on them being consistent next year. Lakers have a serious PG situation, Fisher is major liability on D, and Farmar can't be trusted in a grind it out half court set. Blair's major health issues?! Dude has no ACLs to injure, he didn't have any last year when he tore it up in the NCAA. His knees are not a concern whatsoever..
    First all, if Blair was not a concern, he would have been a first round pick.

    Next, LA's speed and length is still there. SB will now be part of the rotation so it adds it to the PG position And you already know about the frontcourt trio. Now with Artest, they have strength added as well.

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    I agree with Bonner = Luke Walton, Finley is definitely better than Sasha no doubt, Hill = Brown/Farmar so thats a wash, and Mahinimi, Blair, Haislip are not better than Powell/Benga you cant say that since they haven't even played 1 game in a Spurs uniform yet. So overall I'd say spurs bench and laker bench is a flatout wash. Now starting 5 is a better debate.
    Your right Mahinimi,Blair,Haislip hasn't played a game yet but I will say this that if one of those 3 doesn't turn out to be better then Powell/Mbenga then they are busts. Powell/Benga are trash its like how spur fans tried to justify Udoka being a solid player in here which isn't the case .

  4. #229
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    Your right Mahinimi,Blair,Haislip hasn't played a game yet but I will say this that if one of those 3 doesn't turn out to be better then Powell/Mbenga then they are busts. Powell/Benga are trash its like how spur fans tried to justify Udoka being a solid player in here which isn't the case .
    Powell and Benga are gettin paid the veteran's minimum, so you can't expect too much from them. The lakers currently own 3 mega toxic contracts, Walton-5 mil, Sasha at 5 mil, and Bynum at 12 mil. Morrison isn't toxic because he is 100% guaranteed gone by the trade deadline. 3 Toxic contracts isn't really too bad, especially if 2 of em are only at 5 mil.

  5. #230
    Ridding the world of Alien Scum...Relentlessly. Man In Black's Avatar
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    Fail.

    Floyd ran it his first 2 years in Chicago, Artest being there for that 2nd year.
    Fail or did I? This is what bugs me. While I would agree that Floyd was there and coached the team, I recall that management(read Jerry Krause) didn't like the development of his young players under Floyd. They they REGRESSED under his coaching and tutelage.

    The numbers show that the the team didn't win more than 20 games and when he was finally let go in December, the team was 4-21. I will agree to a point that Ron did get it. But it wasn't really from Floyd. And how well did it sink and how much was retained since that time period. It's a trick question though. Tim Floyd wasn't a master at the Triple-Post. And since his Bulls weren't doing anything well, Krause made him adjust the offense to fit the youth of the then Bulls.

    Again, I will concede the experience for Ron to a point. It helps to have one of the co-creators of the Triple-Post in Tex Winter but when Management tells you to change what you're doing and you do not...you get let go.


    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/fea...3/chicago.html
    The day after the press conference, Floyd began his Bulls career in Jackson's old office. Just outside, in the hallway, hung a picture of one of Chicago's championship celebrations, with Jackson being doused by champagne. On Floyd's desk was a spiral-bound book en led The Triple-Post Offense by Bulls assistant Tex Winter, bearing the author's autograph. It was a gift from Winter, whom Floyd had met with that day and asked to remain on staff; he made the same offer to two other assistants, Cartwright and Frank Hamblen. Floyd also told Winter he'd like to retain his style of attack, Chicago's trademark in the Jackson era. At one point a visitor who needed to make a call asked if he had to dial 9 on Floyd's new phone to get an outside line. "I have no idea," Floyd said.
    Again,Management asked him to change the offense.
    Chicago Bulls
    On July 23, 1998, Floyd was hired head coach of the Chicago Bulls of the NBA. That off-season, the core of the Bulls championship teams retired or left, leaving the equivalent of an expansion team. During the lockout season of 1998-1999, the team posted a record of 13–37. The next season, the Bulls had a 17-65 record. The team continued to regress, posting a 15–67 record in the 2000-2001 season. His fourth year as coach was marred by fights with players and management. Floyd resigned on December 24, 2001 after a 4–21 start.
    In his four seasons with the Bulls, Floyd posted a record of 49–190. The team did not make the NBA Playoffs in any of those years. Known as a favorite of Jerry Krause by the Chicago media, an entertaining press conference had Floyd proclaim [I'm not] "Jerry's boy."[1]

  6. #231
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    Outside of Odom LA's bench is filled with scrubs.

    Manu>Odom in impact of the game when he's healthy.

    Hill>Brown,Farmar I will say this becaue whenever he plays Hill has shown can produce on both ends of the court which is something those 2 guys can't. If their offense isn't working then their defense is crap.

    Bonner = Luke Walton: These players play different type of positions but are pretty much same type of player in impact which is they can't create shots but they have to be wide open to score buckets.

    Finley>Sasha: even at old age Mike is still better then this scrub. Again they are pretty much the same type of players which is stand still shooters who need to be open to shoot except Mike can still drop 20 points every now and then something Sasha can't do.

    Mahinimi,Blair,Haislip>Powell,Mbenga : I willing to bet one of the spurs young 3 bigmen will turn out to better then the trash known as Powell-Mbenga. Those guys are straight up garbage I know I'm being biased but I will be shocked if not one of the spurs young bigman prospects turn out to be better then that trash.
    Soooo, when's the punch line? Really.
    If you change some of your >< symbols than we can talk.

  7. #232
    Ur a fkn wanker Venti Quattro's Avatar
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    are spurs fans doing damage control or what?

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    Ur a fkn wanker Venti Quattro's Avatar
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    Oh yea, whatever happened to Shaq?! With Artest, even if he "complies" the Lakers haven't really improved since last year, which is something you can't say about a lot of other teams. Sometimes standing pat doesn't work out. You can say all you want about the Spurs, the fact is they got some better players this year and the core player and coaching staff know how to put it all together and win. You don't think Duncan wants at least 1 more ring before he retires?
    3 championships with Shaq and Kobe. Artest is an upgrade defensively and he can also shoot the rock. The trade-off is that we have given Ariza but Artest is definitely an upgrade in terms of defense and toughness.

    Also, I didn't say anything about the Spurs.

    Kobe couldnt do it without Gasol!
    Lebron just couldn't do it with anyone. Sorry, had to say it.

    If handled means... got your asses handed to you by Detroit when you were heavily favored, write a tell-all book complaining about your superstar SG, retire, come back, lead your team to a defeat by the defenseless Suns after leading 3-1, have a Spanish gift fall into your lap provided by a Laker Legend, then get your asses handed to you by Boston when you were heavily favored, and then withstand all the teams that lost major pieces of their teams during the playoffs to win last season's NBA le, then... I agree with you.
    At least we didn't tank games just to get a high pick.

  9. #234
    you fail at trollin' me TheMACHINE's Avatar
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    so much talk for a subject thats pretty straight forward.

    Lakers got better since the Finals.....Spurs got better since thier 1-4 ownage by the Mavs. Therefore, Lakers will probably repeat and the Spurs will probably reach the second round.

    /thread

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    Ur a fkn wanker Venti Quattro's Avatar
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    so much talk for a subject thats pretty straight forward.

    Lakers got better since the Finals.....Spurs got better since thier 1-4 ownage by the Mavs. Therefore, Lakers will probably repeat and the Spurs will probably reach the second round.

    /thread
    lol.

  11. #236
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    Media always pimps for the Spurs. It's just the way it is. The Spurs were a Godsend for Media when Boston was on their ass. That they've failed at a 100% clip to repeat is of no consequence for San Antonio. Media covers their ass there. And that's nice for them, but, I'm holdin' a grudge & umbrage on their inability to go back-to-back.

    & I ain't f'in budgin' nary an inch on the issue.

    Let us proceed...

  12. #237
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    Bynum's injuries were both contact related. Fluke injuries - not chronic things you see from guys like Yao or Oden.

    If his bad luck continues - sure he's a question mark. But it wasn't stress related injuries.


    this is the funniest I read in a while.

    90% of players injuries are contact related. just that the weak ones, like Bynum, suffer major injuries.

  13. #238
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    Media always pimps for the Spurs. It's just the way it is. The Spurs were a Godsend for Media when Boston was on their ass. That they've failed at a 100% clip to repeat is of no consequence for San Antonio. Media covers their ass there. And that's nice for them, but, I'm holdin' a grudge & umbrage on their inability to go back-to-back.

    & I ain't f'in budgin' nary an inch on the issue.

    Let us proceed...


    just say no to drugs

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    this is the funniest I read in a while.
    Mavs polishin' their knob in your lunchbucket was a knee slapper as well, hater.

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    I agree with the post that I want to see how good the other teams will be assuming they are healthy. I think it's fair to say we didn't really see a team with as much talent as LA get to challenge them last season due to injuries. It looks like one team in the West has enough on paper (SA), and 3 in the East (Orlando, Boston, Cleveland). So the real question is who will stay healthy and how will Artest fit it. Laker fans keep saying all he needs to do is be a role player but no one is addressing the fact that Ron thinks he is a star and not a role player. Ariza realized what he was....so that storyline will be interesting to watch.

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    Mavs polishin' their knob in your lunchbucket was a knee slapper as well, hater.
    yup that's all you got. Keep rehashing it. It gets funnier the 1000th time.... NOT

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    No, no, hater, you guys have failed miserably to make your mark with the repeat. Kobe repeated. , Kobe hit that trio. But, not you miserable failures. Jesus, Mother Mary & Joseph, Media/ESPN even had the goofy {every other year} thing workin' for ya's. Yeah, can ya imagine puttin' that malarkey up there as an accomplishment? What in the is wrong with you people!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    No, no, hater, you guys have failed miserably to make your mark with the repeat. Kobe repeated. , Kobe hit that trio. But, not you miserable failures. Jesus, Mother Mary & Joseph, Media/ESPN even had the goofy {every other year} thing workin' for ya's. Yeah, can ya imagine puttin' that malarkey up there as an accomplishment? What in the is wrong with you people!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    hey why don't you talk about how the mavs beat the spurs last year?

  19. #244
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    No, no, hater, you guys have failed miserably to make your mark with the repeat. Kobe repeated. , Kobe hit that trio. But, not you miserable failures. Jesus, Mother Mary & Joseph, Media/ESPN even had the goofy {every other year} thing workin' for ya's. Yeah, can ya imagine puttin' that malarkey up there as an accomplishment? What in the is wrong with you people!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    oh the repeat story... damn your act is tired dude. do you copy and paste your responses?

  20. #245
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    oh the repeat story... damn your act is tired dude. do you copy and paste your responses?
    Don't be jell, duder. Just cuz you don't have a successful repeat story doesn't give you license to put my successful repeat story down.

  21. #246
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    Don't be jell, duder. Just cuz you don't have a successful repeat story doesn't give you license to put my successful repeat story down.
    boring. HOpefully you'll have some new material when season starts.

  22. #247
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    hey why don't you talk about how the mavs beat the spurs last year?
    Hey, listen, che, you fellows have taken that ass pounding by the Mavs in pretty good spirits. Yer good losers.

  23. #248
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    this is the funniest I read in a while.

    90% of players injuries are contact related. just that the weak ones, like Bynum, suffer major injuries.
    No - instant injuries from impact - ie Bynum's knees is one thing. Bynum was healthy and then an a specific incident occurred that hurt him.

    Stress related injuries like Yao's foot or Tim's knees are another. Those develop over time, are result of either structural or postural issues and likely linger the entire players career. Oden is another who falls victim to that.

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    boring. HOpefully you'll have some new material when season starts.
    "boring"???????????? How bout when you all dogged us over Kobe's inability to ring like Daddy had? Couldn't talk you out of that no matter what. That was the mantra of entire Laker's Hater Nation.

    You goofy bas s, you.

  25. #250
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    So the Lakers bring back the exact same core, a healthy Bynum, and Ron Artest and are somehow worse.

    Spurs add RJ, 90-year old McDyess, 90-year old Ratliff, and a load of rookies and they are now favorites to win it all?

    Gotta love Spur fan logic.

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