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I'd be a homer if I'd be saying that I'd take Manu on his prime over Duncan, Kobe, Shaq, Lebron, etc. But not Dirk.
Sorry but I don't think as higlhy about Nowitzki as you do guys.
Exactly.
I'd be a homer if I'd be saying that I'd take Manu on his prime over Duncan, Kobe, Shaq, Lebron, etc. But not Dirk.
Sorry but I don't think as higlhy about Nowitzki as you do guys.
Who in here has said that?
So, then Beno by virtue of his two NBA les is better than all the international players who have never even won one?
And what has reality shown us?
Nope.
nope... I support the french team... I lived in Paris and I speak French... French people is cool outside the capital...
Parisians by the other hand...but there are always excemptions to the rule so I'm sure there has to be cool people from Paris too
The only thing i can't stand from the french that is about to change is going shopping on Sundays...
where did you live?nope... I support the french team... I lived in Paris and I speak French... French people is cool outside the capital...
Parisians by the other hand...
The only thing i can't stand from the french that is about to change is going shopping on Sundays...
hummm the temptation is high to answer: give me 20 players better than David during let's say the best David career years 96-97 to 2003-2004.
and no E. Cantano doesn't count.
What Sabonis did in 86 World Championships and the 88 Olympics was win silver (loss by only 2 pts I think) and gold respectively. What he also did during those two tourneys was dominate a center by the name of David Robinson who was about the same age as Sabonis (David 1 year younger). Those of us who were old enough to remember watching, witnessed some very "posterizing" moments where Sabas dunked on Robinson so bad he fell to the floor. Young Sabonis' game was on another level compared to young Robinson's. We know what kinda career David had. To expect the same of Sabonis would not have been a stretch. The NBA never saw Sabas in his prime. We've seen Manu in his prime and we've also seen Manu hurt many a time during the season. Manu's health sholud probably be considered when comparing him to Dork.
Beno won rings by riding the coattails of guys like Duncan and Manu not by actually contributing to a le.
WTF?
Silver medal at one Euro championship, bronze medal at one world championship..........
one MVP award at Euro championship and one MVP at world championship
How the do those medals = Manu's medals? How the does that 2 MVPs in his entire international career = "usually being the mvp of the tournament"?
I guess you are a Dirk homer.
It is obviously Hakeem.
i never said that, i guess you missed my point comcast.
not surprising
Let me properyl educate you.
In that same era Galis was TWICE as good as Sabonis and DOMINATED him. Both in 1987 and 1989 Galis and Greecedefeated Soviet Union at the European championship and DOMINATED Sabonis in both games.
The ONLY reason why Soviet Union even played in those 1988 Olympics was because Greek basketball federation defaulted on their place. It was Greece and Galis that was THE best team in the world then.
Just remember Soviets beat Team USA and Sabonis outplayed Robinson, but Greece beat Soviet Union and Galis DOMINATED Soviet Union.
It is outrageous the lack of knowledge US fans have about their own American player Galis. Do you even realize that the team of Sabonis at 88 Olympics was their because the European champions Greece defaulted on their place?
What the is wrong with basketball fans in the US? Galis was the Jordan of Europe for about 15 years and you fools do not even ing know who he is.
Isn't Galis a SG?..tough to compare it like that..
I've read a little about him, but his scoring was pretty much most of it..how was his all-around game/all-around numbers?..
He led Euroleague in field goal percentage, scoring, assists. How many players do this and all in same season?
Put Manu on a team without the big 3 situation, and he is easily a 25-point scorer, if not upper 20s (in his prime years). He's every bit the scorer Dirk is, but has a much better overall game since Dirk is a big man that plays soft. Take away Dirk's sweet jumper, and Manu has more game in his little pinky than in Dirk's entire big unathletic body.
And how'd that turnout?
Does D'whistle still give you nightmares???
I didn't say Manu was perfect.
but he does have 3 of these:
Again you all keep Dirk...
We'll keep Manu...
So I guess LeBron James isn't as good a player as Manu because he wasn't the best player on a Gold Medal Squad and has 0 rings? And it's a ridiculous argument full of hypothetical conjecture to say San Antonio would be better off and would've won more rings with a prime LBJ instead of a prime Manu?
Argentina: Manu and several other NBA caliber players.
Germany: Dirk and a bunch of dudes that couldn't hold the court at a 24 Hour Fitness.
Manu is a #2 guy. Dirk is a #1 guy. Manu has the same number of championships as the best player on his team that Dirk does: 0. Dirk has 1 more Finals appearance as the best player on his team than Manu does: 1. Put Dirk alongside Duncan and he has 3 rings, if not more.
I didn't say Manu was perfect.
but he does have 3 of these:
Again you all keep Dirk...
We'll keep Manu...
Yeah, I'm real impressed with Manu being the 2nd-best player on a le team. Or that he won a Gold with a stacked Argentinian squad. Swap out Dirk for Manu on any squad and they're better off.
Manu > LBJ I guess, since he has 3 more rings and was the best player on a Gold Medal Squad.
I guess Hakeem doesn't count as a foreigner since he played for the US in the 96 Olympics.
Dirk or Sabonis have to be considered > Manu.
If you're not counting Hakeem as an international player (which he really wasn't), then Sabonis is easily the best international player of all time.
The Dirk vs. Manu argument is merely to know who is a distant 2nd place.
The offense ran through Nash, not Dirk all those seasons that they played together. And don't forget that Finley was the No. 1 guy on the Mavericks during Dirk's first 4 seasons...
Fact of the matter is that Dirk has only been the No. 1 guy since Nash bolted for Phoenix.... and he has had very capable, all-star caliber players around him his whole career. The Mavs are still ringless.
The Mavs wouldn't have gone that far in 06 without Dirk, not to mention winning the championship eventually. Of course, it's not a doable job for Manu to carry 14 jump shooters into the NBA finals. And I can pledge you that the Spurs would have won 5 championships in a row from 03-07 with Manu swapped for Dirk. I would say Robert Horry is a better player than Manu if the rings are used as the only measurement to judge a player.
And how'd that turnout?
Does D'whistle still give you nightmares???
I didn't say Manu was perfect.
but he does have 3 of these:
Again you all keep Dirk...
We'll keep Manu...
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