is manu the best international player of all time?

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

You're seriously bringing up the Italian League and Europe? Who fricken cares? The NBA has 75% of the best players in the world. It's like bragging about some Double A minor-league baseball farm club winning the Carolina League. Dirk was already a good NBA player at the age of 21. Manu was a 25 year old rookie and had to continue honing his game until he was ready to play with the big boys. Manu is a borderline All Star, a great #3 option and a good #2 option. Dirk is a franchise player.

You are insane if you think this is true. Absolutely laughable and absurd.

[Rogue]

He won 2 gold medals idiot.

Who gives a crap about how many gold medals idiots he has gained? I mean he only got 1 gold in Olympics in 04, the medals earned in some inferior games, like in the special Olympics that you always participate in, are not counted at all.

[ElNono]

1) Dirk is a better player than Manu.

I disagree. I think Dirk is more talented. I think Manu is the better overall player.

2) Dirk made his legacy in the NBA while Manu did it overseas against lesser talent.

Manu made his legacy both overseas AND on the NBA. If he would have not been an integral part of those Spurs teams, and won no NBA rings, then we probably wouldn't even be having this conversation.

3) Switch Dirk and Manu in 2003 and the Spurs probably have 7-8 les and the Mavs would never have seen the NBA finals.

Doubtful. I will take Manu in the crunch of any major game over Dirk 9 out of 10 times. Then again, my opinion. Just as respectable as yours.

[jag]

You are insane if you think this is true. Absolutely laughable and absurd.

Why are you here?

[dirk4mvp]

Does KPB think spanoulis > Dirk?

[ElNono]

European league hasn't ever legislated any weird rule like prohibiting Americans, Scola has a couple years experience in European league as far as you probably know.

He's talking about the FIBA Euro Championship. Keep up.

[dirk4mvp]

Why are you here?

Isn't it pretty late in Greece?

[ElNono]

You are just mad because it was exposed you did not even watch the bronze medal game in 2008.

Sure, you exposed me. Carry on.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Maybe stats-wise. For 15 years or so, except for a couple of years he missed due to injuries, he was a dominant European player. He patroled the lane, he was one of the best passing pivots in the history of basketball, and he was a winner. It's all subjective.

1. Galis
2. Petrovic
3. Marcilionis
4. Sabonis

Those were best players in 80s in Europe I think

in 90s would be

1. Kukoc
2. Bodiroga
3. Galis
4. Sabonis

NBA fans make up some stupid lie about Sabonis being best European player. Just another way to inflate level of NBA and deflate level of European game.

[ElNono]

2. Bodiroga

lol

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Does KPB think spanoulis > Dirk?

Yes he is in today's time.

[dirk4mvp]

Yes he is in today's time.

lol

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

You forgot Manu's 3 NBA Championships.
Not to mention Manu can't play the Euros because he's actually not European. And Greek Championships ARE TRASH. That's like me trying to count up Manu's championships in Argentina.

Greek championships is way harder to win than Italian championship. Greek championship is far harder to win than Spanish one also. If you knew anything about European basketball you would know that.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

lol

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

lol Greek league.

WTF? People are counting Manu's Italian championships and even the best team in Italy could only hope for 3rd place in Greece.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Please quote me where i said he can only stand out against lesser opponents.

You're creating an argument that doesn't exist. Manu can obviously stand out against quality opponents...no one in this thread is denying that. But you are basing your argument around accomplishments he has made (in Europe) against lesser opponents.

Please continue "destroying" me:

1) Dirk is a better player than Manu.
2) Dirk made his legacy in the NBA while Manu did it overseas against lesser talent.
3) Switch Dirk and Manu in 2003 and the Spurs probably have 7-8 les and the Mavs would never have seen the NBA finals.

You are crazy for sure. Dirk is soft, plays no defense, he is a choker. He lets physical wing players bully him. No way in Spurs win 8 championships with him. You are making most ridiculous posts by far.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

And for the record, I'll add that Sabonis is my pick for the best. Petrovic was also great.

Just more proof you know nothing of European game and just pretend you do.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

I think Dirk is more talented. I think Manu is the better overall player.

I don't understand this, can you clarify?

[Stevebass18]

Yes he is in today's time.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Dirk is a much better player than McAdoo was. And point to me where I waved pom poms over Dirk's award?

Dirk is of course better but why the would you compare McAdoo to Scalabrine and Mbenga? Crazy to say the least.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

European league hasn't ever legislated any weird rule like prohibiting Americans, Scola has a couple years experience in European league as far as you probably know.

WTF? Scola has like 7 years in the Euroleague.

And in those 7 years 0 MVP awards 0 championships.

Of course you probably believe since he is in NBA that he was 7 for 7 all around.

[Findog]

Dirk is of course better but why the would you compare McAdoo to Scalabrine and Mbenga? Crazy to say the least.

Just listing guys who have rings, because rings alone determine who is better.

Michael Doleac > Dirk Nowitzki.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Just listing guys who have rings, because rings alone determine who is better.

Michael Doleac > Dirk Nowitzki.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

lol

Bodiroga embarssed team USA far worse than Manu ever has and did it more than once.

[Kori Ellis]

If the question was which international player has accomplished the most in his career, then you could argue for Manu. But I thought the question was "best player" (meaning most talented).... then that would be a different story.

I guess it depends on your definition of best. I think Manu is incredible, but I don't think he's the best international player to have ever played the game.