is manu the best international player of all time?

[Findog]

The Grizzlies. Enough said.

You're a ing dumbass:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/MEM/2006.html

Fifth seed in a tough Western Conference.

[Phenomanul]

Look Findog... this is all subjective anyway...

No one's convincing the other of anything...

Dirk would have made an excellent Spur playing second fiddle to Duncan. But I'm not too sure the league would have allowed the Spurs to win so many consecutive Championships... they probably would have outlawed seven footers from taking three pointers... or some other silly rubbish.

Like allowing players to defy the laws of physics in a critical swing game. Or awarding the opposing team, a notorious "jump-shooting" team, 49 free throws in a game...

Players like Dirk and Manu are certainly one of a kind.

[Phenomanul]

Bad basis of comparison.

That was because Gasol came into the league a lot more polished than Dirk. Doesn't necessarily mean he's the better player overall.

That wasn't my argument. I was simply taking a jab at Dirk. And at the notion that Dirk was NBA ready the moment he was drafted.

[Phenomanul]

Again, bad basis of comparison.

Those Grizzlies were nowhere near the pathetic excuse of a team they are nowadays.

They've yet to win a playoff game... or have they obtained that elusive first victory???

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

1) Dirk was a good NBA player by the time he was 21. Manu didn't make his NBA debut till he was 25 while he honed his game in Europe. I could care less about what Alex Rodriguez, Vladimir Guerrero or Albert Pujols did in Double A or what minor league hardware they picked up along the way. I'm not impressed one bit by his Italian League bull or that he won a Gold Medal. If Dirk had played in Europe till he was 25, he'd had plenty of bling too.

You are a real moron.

[Findog]

That wasn't my argument. I was simply taking a jab at Dirk. And at the notion that Dirk was NBA ready the moment he was drafted.

He was a lot more polished than Manu, which is the two guys I was comparing.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Ummm, o guys, Steve Nash is the best. Obviously.

Definitely the best shooter and passer.

[Rogue]

No... way to side-step the argument altogether...

You're the one holding the cir stances of Ginobili's arrival to the league against him... not me.

By your standards the choice to select Michael Olowokandi as the No. 1 overall pick of his draft class was justified simply based on his height and potential talent. "High" draft busts are far more common than draft gems selected 57th overall. Ginobili was the steal of the decade.

BTW I always felt that Jordan made a huge mistake as GM for the Wizards when he passed over Pau Gasol in order to take Kwame Brown. Why was Gasol passed over? 'Cause much like Argentinians, Spaniards were completely unknown commodities as far as basketball decisions were concerned. The only difference was that Gasol was a legit seven footer... And unlike Dirk, Pau garnered ROY honors.

Dirk was drafted in 98 pool which also featured some local American potentials like Vince Carter, Paul Pierce, etc... While Gasol was almost invincible for the ROY in 02 as the 01 draftees were either overrated players like Olowokandi or some real talent buried at the edge of the draft pool like Tony Longoria.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Manu is the only player to win the Euroleague, an Olympic gold medal, and an NBA le.

That is false.

[ElNono]

That is false.

Who is the other one? And are you sure it was the NBA and not the ABA back then?

[Findog]

You are a real moron.

Thanks, Indazone.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Who is the other one? And are you sure it was the NBA and not the ABA back then?

In Euroleague website when they select 50 anniversary team it was stated clearly that he was the second player to do that.

[Phenomanul]

He was a lot more polished than Manu, which is the two guys I was comparing.

There is no way to know for sure... it's all cir stantial... and that's the point I've been trying to pass along from the moment you tried to hold Manu's draft position and entry-age against him.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Thanks, Indazone.

[Typhoon]

yes he's the mother ing best.

[Phenomanul]

Dirk was drafted in 98 pool which also featured some local American potentials like Vince Carter, Paul Pierce, etc... While Gasol was almost invincible for the ROY in 02 as the 01 draftees were either overrated players like Olowokandi or some real talent buried at the edge of the draft pool like Tony Longoria.

LOL at Maverick fans getting their panties in a wad over the mere comparison of Gasol and Dirk's rookie seasons....

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

There is no way to know for sure... it's all cir stantial... and that's the point I've been trying to pass along from the moment you tried to hold Manu's draft position and entry-age against him.

IGNORE that fool. In Europe at the same time Manu was 10 times the player Dirk was. His comments would get him laughed off of any European sports forum.

[Findog]

IGNORE that fool. In Europe at the same time Manu was 10 times the player Dirk was. His comments would get him laughed off of any European sports forum.

Dirk was too good for Europe, Indazone. It's like saying that some guy who put up better numbers at Triple A than Alex Rodriguez does in the majors is the better player.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Dirk was too good for Europe, Indazone. It's like saying that some guy who put up better numbers at Triple A than Alex Rodriguez does in the majors is the better player.

Are you really this stupid? IN the SAME YEARS they both played in Europe. Dirk was a complete nobody and Manu was one of the better players in Europe. Certainly not the best by any means, but one of the best. Dirk was not even important.

[urunobili]

Manu will always be the best... in MY heart at least...

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Who is the other one? And are you sure it was the NBA and not the ABA back then?

This is it.

Manu =

Olympic gold medal
Euroleague championship
3 NBA championships

Bill Bradley =

Olympic gold medal
Euroleague championship
2 NBA championships

So Manu is not the only one to that and not the first. However he has one more NBA championship than Bradley.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Dirk was too good for Europe, Indazone. It's like saying that some guy who put up better numbers at Triple A than Alex Rodriguez does in the majors is the better player.

You live in a fantasy world where the Euroleague = "Triple AAA minors"

You really need to STFU

[Findog]

Are you really this stupid? IN the SAME YEARS they both played in Europe. Dirk was a complete nobody and Manu was one of the better players in Europe. Certainly not the best by any means, but one of the best. Dirk was not even important.

Dirk is a better player than Manu Indazone, and made a bigger impact at the NBA level while Manu was playing against lesser compe ion. You couldn't be more profoundly wrong, Indazone.

[Findog]

You live in a fantasy world where the Euroleague = "Triple AAA minors"

You really need to STFU

The NBA has 75-80% of the world's best players, Indazone. Deal with it.

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

The NBA has 75-80% of the world's best players, Indazone. Deal with it.

Your statements are ignorant, ridiculous, and absurd. It is really beyond laughable what you are saying here. 75-80 percent od world's best players???????