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    Non-organic, industrialized production and processing of plants and animals and synthetic, highly processed food-like substances are all of the same philosophy.

    People become diseased eating industrial while the land and waterways are stressed and poisoned.

    The system is really unsustainable.

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    I always wondered about this......

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    I feel like there's something wrong with any kind of food produced in the United States in general. My family moved here from Russia about 15 years ago. We were not poor there, and were never lacking food. Within months of arriving to the United States, everyone in my family gained a good amount of weight. I am normal (healthy) wight for my height. However, I went to study abroad to Europe (Netherlands) for 4.5 months. I was bored there due to lack of internet and smoked a lot of pot. So, naturally, I ate all the time. I came back to the U.S 20 pounds thinner then when I left. Other people who I know who are from Europe say that they loose weight when they go back to Europe, even if they don't eat less food. Therefore, I just think that U.S. food producers put something into the food to makes it unhealthy.
    i'd say a big culprit is high fructose corn syrup. that crap is in everything.

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    i'd say a big culprit is high fructose corn syrup. that crap is in everything.
    True or not, I stay away from that . I rarely have a soda, and that's probably the only time I have it in any notable quan y.

    I use real maple syrup on my pancakes. Nothing sweetened with that .

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    True or not, I stay away from that . I rarely have a soda, and that's probably the only time I have it in any notable quan y.

    I use real maple syrup on my pancakes. Nothing sweetened with that .
    you'd be surprised in what it's put in.

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    Good show.

    I'd love to hang out with Penn. (no )

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    As a person in the produce industry (I buy organic & conventional), I can say that you all have good points. When it comes to organic apples/pears, there's really only one thing different, the pesticides. Not to say they don't have or get traces of pesticides from other nearby orchards, but they monitor that well. They (conventional & organic) all run across the same packing lines, but they are cleaned well before the organic is run across.
    Most of the apples in the world today come from various different root stock & many of the varieties are the same that are conventional & organic. A farmer that has orchards & wants to grow organically has to wait 3 years for it to be certified. So, he has to use organic practices for 3 years. Although, any farmer can do this & many have. The farmer that has had his orchard for 10 or so years that has been using pesticides & he decides he wants to be an organic farmer. He quits using the conventional pesticide & buys the approved organic pesticide & uses it for 3 years. Now his orchard is organic. There are some farmers that bypass this & say their product is organic (this happens at farmers markets more than not) & it's not. They duped you into thinking it's organic. Make sure to ask how long they've been certified.

    Most apples/pears are picked all at the same time depending on varieties. Most are picked August through October. You eat this fruit till the next harvest. So, the later in the season it gets, the less flavor. Although, most varieties are getting stored better so that they have longer lasting flavor.

    I could go on & on, but it's already too long.

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    you'd be surprised in what it's put in.
    No I wouldn't. Small amounts aren't going to hurt anyone. It's in just about everything. Please re-read my words. I said "notable quan y."

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    organic is good is used consistently, i used to do finance work for whole foods, i loved the discount

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    I think it's all a scam. The soccer moms are stupid enough to pay 4x as much for food because the label says organic.


    PS - organic apples suck.

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    1/2 tsp. bleach to 2 gallon water. Soak for an hour, rinse & save $$$!!!

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    Who cares. Assuming there is a huge difference in the foods, then you die at 78 instead of 82. Same thing. This might be important to society if 12 year olds drinking soda were dropping dead left and right. The only problem with American society is that we take in more calories than we burn.

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    Who cares. Assuming there is a huge difference in the foods, then you die at 78 instead of 82. Same thing. This might be important to society if 12 year olds drinking soda were dropping dead left and right. The only problem with American society is that we take in more calories than we burn.
    WTF? You think 4 years is meaningless?

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    Health and better taste are very arguable. IMO organic taste worst. In terms of health, I read a few articles that show that there is no proof in organic being healthier than conventional. Additionally, organic food does indeed have pesticides in them. Theyre just "organic" pesticides. However, I would encourage the switch to organic as it is definitely better for the environment.

    ps. I have a minor in Environmental Science.

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    i finally saw this last night and it was a great show. that cooky family was a little out there. i don't buy organic stuff because of the environment or any other hippie causes. i do it mainly for the non use of preservatives, HFCS, pesticides and all that. i guess i go for the "natural" brand. if there's something i can't easily pronounce in the ingredients, then more than likely i won't consume it. i could care less about the environment. the earth is going to do what the earth is going to do. how can man change that? i tend to buy from farmers markets directly from the farmers. it was quite an eye opening show. i'll need to do some investigating for my own now.

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    i finally saw this last night and it was a great show. that cooky family was a little out there. i don't buy organic stuff because of the environment or any other hippie causes. i do it mainly for the non use of preservatives, HFCS, pesticides and all that. i guess i go for the "natural" brand. if there's something i can't easily pronounce in the ingredients, then more than likely i won't consume it. i could care less about the environment. the earth is going to do what the earth is going to do. how can man change that? i tend to buy from farmers markets directly from the farmers. it was quite an eye opening show. i'll need to do some investigating for my own now.
    Isn't that a bit ignorant? While it's true the earth will attempt to repair itself, humans are polluting it at a rate that the earth's repair mechanisms are essentially useless. Unless we make the effort, the earth will become worse before it becomes better.

    The media doesn't do a good job in broadcasting just how bad our environment is and just how important it is to have an environmentally friendly mindset. I encourage everyone to be more environmentally friendly because at this rate it's getting a lot worse. Look into the topic too, I understand that it will take a bit of work to look up and read but I think its valuable information.

    For those who are selfish and think that you only live once so who gives a (that used to me), think about your children or the children of your friends and family. We inevitably affect the next generation and the generations after that, so it's wise to think about them.

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    The best thing we could ever do for the environment is to quit trading with China. God, that place is a hole and they don't give a damn about how they're trashing this planet.

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    "something wrong with any kind of food produced in the United States in general"

    Several studies, including one recently on illegal immigrants, have shown that people from other countries where disease rates are lower than USA get diseases at higher rates than in their native countries.

    As non-Western countries get "marketed" into adopting Western, esp USA, diets and industrial foods ( like all fast food and junk food), their disease rates go up (without even including US/UK tobacco criminal corporations).

    Not that there's anything wrong with that.

    America the Beautiful exports its Beautiful culture and people die.

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    The best thing we could ever do for the environment is to quit trading with China. God, that place is a hole and they don't give a damn about how they're trashing this planet.
    Agreed, but China is too smart at this point. We can't survive without their goods.

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    The best thing we could ever do for the environment is to quit trading with China. God, that place is a hole and they don't give a damn about how they're trashing this planet.
    As if America is so much better.

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