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    What Krugman says is true.

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    What Krugman says is true.
    Krugman is a ing genius.


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    Krugman is a ing genius.
    youtube man has a youtube for everything.

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    Are you ing re ed? one sentence you say you believed he was likely not US born. The next sentence you say you were going to wait for the facts to believe one way or the other? A third grader or even a Republican should be able to see those two sentences are in complete opposition.
    Wow... you are obviously re ed. Go back and read my statements again, and how I responded to yours stupid retort.


    I'll admit, from all I heard, I believed it was likely he was not native born. However, I wanted to see good evidence before believing either way.
    So basically, your opinion and gut instincts are never to be trusted then. Nice way to completely contradict yourself in only two sentences also.
    Nice try, but you fail again. Did I ever say I was always right?
    Look at that exchange. I said "I believed it was likely." I did not say "I believed." I went on to say I wanted more evidence. You then say my opinion and instinct cannot be trusted, when it's your first gran reading comprehension at fault. My statement as for not always being right was an acknowledgment I am not infallible. I was wrong in assessing the likelihood, though I was not so wrong as to take a solid belief.

    You really need to learn to parse peoples wordings better.

    You failed for you stupid assumption that would lead to thinking I contradicted myself. Where's the contradiction? Likely... a relative point... wanting more evidence to solidify or disprove... where's the conflict moron?

    Like exposing your utter stupidity to everyone here?

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    Look at that exchange. I said "I believed it was likely." I did not say "I believed." I went on to say I wanted more evidence.
    Belief that something is likely isn't belief?

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    The right wing will die soon.
    Yeah the dead enders are losing it.


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    Belief that something is likely isn't belief?
    Believing it was likely he was not a citizen is not the same as believing he wasn't a citizen. One is absolute, the other isn't.

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    Believing it was likely he was not a citizen is not the same as believing he wasn't a citizen. One is absolute, the other isn't.
    Not exactly a hard concept to grasp unless someone is only seeing in black and whites...

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    Not exactly a hard concept to grasp unless someone is only seeing in black and whites...
    More like WC jumped to a conclusion and then backtracked.

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    More like WC jumped to a conclusion and then backtracked.
    Not that I've bothered to read the entire conversation, but there is certainly a difference in "believe likely" and "believe to be". That's all I have to contribute to it.

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    People booing the government using energy efficient light bulbs??!!

    These people scare me a whole lot more than anything Obama is doing.

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    There was a telling incident at a town hall held by Representative Gene Green, D-Tex. An activist turned to his fellow attendees and asked if they “oppose any form of socialized or government-run health care.” Nearly all did. Then Representative Green asked how many of those present were on Medicare. Almost half raised their hands.

    Now, people who don’t know that Medicare is a government program probably aren’t reacting to what President Obama is actually proposing.
    Worthy of repeating.

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    Worthy of repeating.
    It is worthy of repeating since Medicare will be insolvent within the next 10 years.

    What's their proposal?

    How do they maintain the current level of care for medicare beneficiaries while adding 46 million more to the plan and find a way for it to cost less than it does now?

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    It is worthy of repeating since Medicare will be insolvent within the next 10 years.

    What's their proposal?

    How do they maintain the current level of care for medicare beneficiaries while adding 46 million more to the plan and find a way for it to cost less than it does now?
    You miss the point entirely.

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    The board liberals are neck-deep in denial right now. Glenn Beck on Fox News is not suddenly this great community organizer who gets all of conservative America to do his bidding. (This week, as we've learned, community organizing is bad.) Astroturf protestors are marked by their slick color-coordinated handbills, posters, T-shirts, and banners, not random messages scrawled on posterboard with a black marker.

    I also know from my week in Oregon that to a white liberal "well-dressed" means wearing a clean T-shirt, so when people show up in knit tops with *gasp* collars, apparently liberal politicians get su ious. Believe it or not, in flyover country, people actually dress that way. One night, I wore a bona-fide button-up shirt with khakis to dinner, and my wife wore a dress, and Portlanders, most of whom apparently think hair-washing should be done at most weekly, stared at us like we were black people or something else they had never seen before.

    People are protesting at these rallies because they are genuinely pissed off about the current track of health care reform. It's just like when left-wingers protest, with the exception that the typical Midwestern mindset is far less about protesting just to be an attention . For Democrats to just start labeling all these people Nazis and redneck mobs, even though they may truly believe anybody who does not obey their agenda is as bad as a Nazi, is a strategy that will end at best in an electoral experience akin to what the Republicans went through in 2006 and 2008.
    Yeah? This is like saying that people who go to McDonalds and buy 50 nuggets and 2 large fries and order a 5834739oz Diet Coke are trying to watch their weight. Where were these protests when Bush was expanding socialized medicine?

    Whats changed since then, ES?

    I'm not saying its overt racism at all, but it absolutely has to do with not having one of the good ole boys in office. They certainly don't believe a word he says and I'm pretty damn sure if Obama had town halls right now stating the sky was blue these people would protest.

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    I'm not saying its overt racism at all, but it absolutely has to do with not having one of the good ole boys in office. They certainly don't believe a word he says and I'm pretty damn sure if Obama had town halls right now stating the sky was blue these people would protest.


    You're not saying it, but yet you do.

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    Not at all. I stated clearly it wasn't because of his skin color but rather the fact that he's not trusted by this community at all. I made that very clear. You also choose to ignore the question I pose asking why these people have decided to protest now but not when Bush was passing the largest increase in government provided healthcare this nation has ever seen.

    Simply put Darrin, why now?

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    Manny, you are wrong. I would love to see a black man in office if he was leadership material and not a leftist. This has nothing to do with his skin color other than the hateful types he has associated with. This is his connection, of his choice, and if I recall correctly, in his book, he said he seeked out prominent people in the black community to show he was black enough.

    Us conservative whites don't dislike him because he's black. We dislike him because he's a phony and a socialist. We have valid disagreements and believe he will make things worse, not better.

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    I never said you disliked him because he was black. Yet no one seems to be able to address why the people who are protesting now did not during the Bush years when he was pushing socialized medicine through congress.

    I ask again, why now?

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    Not at all. I stated clearly it wasn't because of his skin color but rather the fact that he's not trusted by this community at all. I made that very clear. You also choose to ignore the question I pose asking why these people have decided to protest now but not when Bush was passing the largest increase in government provided healthcare this nation has ever seen.

    Simply put Darrin, why now?

    So, no one criticized the Medicare Prescription Drug, Improvement, and Modernization Act of 2003?

    You need to do some Googling.

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    So, no one criticized the Medicare Prescription Drug, Improvement, and Modernization Act of 2003?

    You need to do some Googling.

    Thats not at all what I said. For every piece of legislation there are people who are against this. This is obvious. However, it is completely disingenous to compare the outcry now with the outcry (or lack thereof) then.

    Why the much greater resistance now, Darrin? Simply address the question in an intellectually honest way and do not deflect it or run and hide behind strawmen.

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    I never said you disliked him because he was black. Yet no one seems to be able to address why the people who are protesting now did not during the Bush years when he was pushing socialized medicine through congress.

    I ask again, why now?
    How was President Bush pressing for socialized medicine? I missed that. Please enlighten me.

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    How was President Bush pressing for socialized medicine? I missed that. Please enlighten me.
    I honestly don't think I could have made my point any better. Thanks.

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    So, no one criticized the Medicare Prescription Drug, Improvement, and Modernization Act of 2003?

    You need to do some Googling.
    Is that what he's talking about? Doesn't he know that's a medicare change and not socialized medicine?

    Oh wait. We are talking about Manny, right?

    Manny... Several people were against it, including my father who is retired. He was worried about the changes. Myself, I was uncertain if it would be better, but I wasn't against doing things to improve medicare for our seasoned citizens. I don't see helping the old and the disables the same as socialized programs. I see it as helping them retire better, and they are our progenitors. I am only against permanent social programs for people who are able to care for themselves. I don't want it to be easy for them. I want them to have motivation to get off their asses and be productive citizens.

    There is absolutely no comparison between the medicare prescription changes and HB 3200. How can you be so ignorant?

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    I honestly don't think I could have made my point any better. Thanks.
    Agreed. You proved yourself an idiot.

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