The Second Banana: Dirk vs. Manu

[z0sa]

Tim and Dirk together? You can't even put that in the same sentence as Manu Ginobili. I love Manu, and he is tied for my 3rd favorite Spur, but I have to be realistic here. Tim and Dirk together would be akin to Tim and David type roles, neither player ever asserting true dominance over the other. Tim and Dirk are really team first guys and would fit great together, so chemistry would not be an issue.

While its not an altogether easy choice since I love Manu's capacity to win and win in big moments, as well as having a large and varied skillset, Dirk is pretty much a no brainer.

[DAF86]

It was ruined a long time ago by Manusexuals who can't seem to think beyond anything not relating to Manu.

Why can't you accept that there's people that actually thinks that Manu at his prime > Dirk at his prime.

If you make this poll among basketball fans that watch NBA and FIBA I'm pretty sure that Manu would win also (and I'm pretty sure that it wouldn't even be close). You have a missconception of Manu 'cause you have only saw him play on the NBA as a role player. But make no mistake about it, Manu could have easily been a "franchise player" on this league. For god sake if Joe fricking Johnson is "franchise player" for a second round playoff team, then Manu could have definitely been a franchise player.

[urunobili]

As a Player Dirk is better

[Rodriguez]

As a Player Dirk is better

Manu is better as a person?

[sonic21]

Why can't you accept that there's people that actually thinks that Manu at his prime > Dirk at his prime.

If you make this poll among basketball fans that watch NBA and FIBA I'm pretty sure that Manu would win also (and I'm pretty sure that it wouldn't even be close). You have a missconception of Manu 'cause you have only saw him play on the NBA as a role player. But make no mistake about it, Manu could have easily been a "franchise player" on this league. For god sake if Joe fricking Johnson is "franchise player" for a second round playoff team, then Manu could have definitely been a franchise player.

he has the talent, but he's is too inconsistent to be a franchise.

[DAF86]

he has the talent, but he's is too inconsistent to be a franchise.

Except on the NBA he has been a franchise player everywhere.

[Rodriguez]

Why can't you accept that there's people that actually thinks that Manu at his prime > Dirk at his prime.

If you make this poll among basketball fans that watch NBA and FIBA I'm pretty sure that Manu would win also (and I'm pretty sure that it wouldn't even be close). You have a missconception of Manu 'cause you have only saw him play on the NBA as a role player. But make no mistake about it, Manu could have easily been a "franchise player" on this league. For god sake if Joe fricking Johnson is "franchise player" for a second round playoff team, then Manu could have definitely been a franchise player.

If you also extend our discussion to D-League, NCAA, ABA... then there will flow millions of names that you may consider franchise players in their leagues, and overwhelmingly to beat both Manu and Dirk since neither guy is the No.1 dominant player in the NBA league though Dirk used to be the MVP of NBA.

[Rodriguez]

Except on the NBA he has been a franchise player everywhere.

Is it your admission that NBA is the No.1 best league in universe? given no alien has been found.

[dirk4mvp]

Except on the NBA he has been a franchise player everywhere.

He's been a 'franchise' player in the minor leagues. Congrats on that.

[BadOdor]

Without reading through this whole thread, I'll just say that anyone who chooses Manu over Dirk is out of his or her mind.

we've already established that it's simply all the argentine savage posters being over manu's nut sack.

lol no running water.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

He's been a 'franchise' player in the minor leagues. Congrats on that.

[DPG21920]

I would choose Dirk for sure, but Mav fans are seriously over estimating Dirk's "improvement" on defense. Dirk would be a great player even if he did not get back on defense at all.

He has gotten "better" on defense, but going from piss poor to anything will be an improvment. I watch a ton of Mav basketball, almost every single game. Dirk puts in decent effort for the most part, but seemingly only when on those plays when it "matters".

Manu is clearly a better defender and game changer on that end than Dirk. Dirk does do that swipe move with some effectiveness, but if someone is persistent, they can easily overcome Dirk on all areas of the floor, from every position.

Manu has his troubles with guys who are stronger and always put pressure on him by backing him down, but other than that he does a very good job. He comes up with timely steals, hustle blocks, weakside blocks and crafty doubles onto bigs. He has enough quickness and anticipation to stay infront of guys that are his size or smaller. Manu does not take plays off either.

Dirk has gotten better, but he is still below average, by quite a bit imo. He looks incredibly ackward as well both on the perimeter and inside. He is also quite bad at funneling within a system.

Dirk is such a sturdy player with so much range, that it makes him so efficient and deadly offensively. Manu is no offensive slouch and he gets easier baskets and I would rather the ball in his hands at the end of the game. I would rather Dirk get the last shot, but I would rather have the ball in Manu's hands.

But Dirk next to Tim would have been a disgustingly perfect compliment.

[benefactor]

Why can't you accept that there's people that actually thinks that Manu at his prime > Dirk at his prime.

If you make this poll among basketball fans that watch NBA and FIBA I'm pretty sure that Manu would win also (and I'm pretty sure that it wouldn't even be close). You have a missconception of Manu 'cause you have only saw him play on the NBA as a role player. But make no mistake about it, Manu could have easily been a "franchise player" on this league. For god sake if Joe fricking Johnson is "franchise player" for a second round playoff team, then Manu could have definitely been a franchise player.

I like how you decided to go a different direction here in order to find some sort of straw to grasp at within your weak, homer based arguments.

We are not talking about Manu vs. Dirk in their primes. We are discussing which in their prime would be a better compliment when paired with Tim Duncan. There is only one correct answer to this...and those with any sort of unbiased basketball knowledge know what it is.

[BadOdor]

So this forum is like LG after all....you start a MJ vs Kobe thread in there, kobe wins.

Homerism.

[dirk4mvp]

So basically, every known Spurs poster who usually provides good takes has been picking Dirk, while the only people picking Manu are posters from Argentina and Spurs homers. Got it.

[ElNono]

we've already established that it's simply all the argentine savage posters being over manu's nut sack.

lol no running water.

LOL Pink

[ElNono]

[Texas Chili Dog]

[dirk4mvp]

Resorting to this proves my point. Thanks.

[resistanze]

I'd pick Robert Horry over Dirk. He has 7 rings and plays defense and is clutch!!!!!!

[ElNono]

[Chieflion]

I voted for Dirk cause he was at least the MVP of the choke season while Manu choked against the choke.

[Frank Lucas]

DAF86 thinks Manu being a franchise player in the Euroleague means he could be a franchise player in the NBA.

[Frank Lucas]

DAF, how bout Argentina sticks to it's strength (harboring Nazis), and leaves basketball to the USA?

[Mr.Bottomtooth]