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I don't believe any of that. The hold up was the co-promotion, not the numbers.
Of course he won't give Fedor's numbers. It's a farce. He knows Dana & Co. would simply show what they offered him was more.
Lots of tidbits from MMAWeekly during SF / M-1 Press Conf...
Fedor on choosing promotional home: The offer that we got from the UFC was "really miserable."
Fedor says if the numbers rumored to have been offered him by the UFC were true, he would have signed with the UFC.
Fedor: I make the decisions and Vadim makes the public announcement. I feel very sorry that fans won't see fight with Brock Lesnar.
Coker declines to give details on Fedor's price tag...
Coker on Fedor PPV: We'll enter PPV business, but it will probably be 6-9 months away...
Vadim on UFC deal: In uniting with Strikeforce, M-1 gets to broadcast Strikeforce event in Korea, Japan, and Russia. UFC wouldn't do that.
Fedor: If Strikeforce was able to offer better offer than the UFC, why would I go to the UFC?
Coker on Dana White calling Strikeforce "Strikefarce": Of course he's going to say that, he's a promoter.
Echteld also confirms the UFC tried to put a stop to Strikeforce bout between Mousasi and Babalu Sobral on Aug. 15
Fedor on White's claim he doesn't care about fans: The last two fights I had really good opponents.
Vadim chimes in on White's comments: Rogers is a very good opponent for Fedor....
Fedor on his relationship with M-1: I have full control of all the contracts and my career as well. I get all the financial reports as well.
Conference call operator gives Scott Coker's cell phone out "on the air."
Coker: M-1 not having a US promoter's license is "not a big issue."
I don't believe any of that. The hold up was the co-promotion, not the numbers.
Of course he won't give Fedor's numbers. It's a farce. He knows Dana & Co. would simply show what they offered him was more.
I'm sure there's a napkin somewhere out there with Fedor's numbers from Dana.
90% of this smells like complete and utter bull . Have fun fighting with nobody watching, Fedor..Lots of tidbits from MMAWeekly during SF / M-1 Press Conf...
Fedor on choosing promotional home: The offer that we got from the UFC was "really miserable."
Fedor says if the numbers rumored to have been offered him by the UFC were true, he would have signed with the UFC.
Fedor: I make the decisions and Vadim makes the public announcement. I feel very sorry that fans won't see fight with Brock Lesnar.
Coker declines to give details on Fedor's price tag...
Coker on Fedor PPV: We'll enter PPV business, but it will probably be 6-9 months away...
Vadim on UFC deal: In uniting with Strikeforce, M-1 gets to broadcast Strikeforce event in Korea, Japan, and Russia. UFC wouldn't do that.
Fedor: If Strikeforce was able to offer better offer than the UFC, why would I go to the UFC?
Coker on Dana White calling Strikeforce "Strikefarce": Of course he's going to say that, he's a promoter.
Echteld also confirms the UFC tried to put a stop to Strikeforce bout between Mousasi and Babalu Sobral on Aug. 15
Fedor on White's claim he doesn't care about fans: The last two fights I had really good opponents.
Vadim chimes in on White's comments: Rogers is a very good opponent for Fedor....
Fedor on his relationship with M-1: I have full control of all the contracts and my career as well. I get all the financial reports as well.
Conference call operator gives Scott Coker's cell phone out "on the air."
Coker: M-1 not having a US promoter's license is "not a big issue."
bullLots of tidbits from MMAWeekly during SF / M-1 Press Conf...
Fedor on choosing promotional home: The offer that we got from the UFC was "really miserable."
Fedor says if the numbers rumored to have been offered him by the UFC were true, he would have signed with the UFC.
Fedor: I make the decisions and Vadim makes the public announcement. I feel very sorry that fans won't see fight with Brock Lesnar.
Coker declines to give details on Fedor's price tag...
Coker on Fedor PPV: We'll enter PPV business, but it will probably be 6-9 months away...
Vadim on UFC deal: In uniting with Strikeforce, M-1 gets to broadcast Strikeforce event in Korea, Japan, and Russia. UFC wouldn't do that.
Fedor: If Strikeforce was able to offer better offer than the UFC, why would I go to the UFC?
Coker on Dana White calling Strikeforce "Strikefarce": Of course he's going to say that, he's a promoter.
Echteld also confirms the UFC tried to put a stop to Strikeforce bout between Mousasi and Babalu Sobral on Aug. 15
Fedor on White's claim he doesn't care about fans: The last two fights I had really good opponents.
Vadim chimes in on White's comments: Rogers is a very good opponent for Fedor....
Fedor on his relationship with M-1: I have full control of all the contracts and my career as well. I get all the financial reports as well.
Conference call operator gives Scott Coker's cell phone out "on the air."
Coker: M-1 not having a US promoter's license is "not a big issue."
It's not shocking that Fedor (and team) turned Dana down based on the things Dana has said about him over the years. It's really hard to believe much that Dana says IMO...he's almost always in promoter mode. This whole "$30 million" deal is based on what Dana and crew says, right? Has a copy of the contract been released??? Fedor says the numbers the UFC/Dana have put out there aren't accurate. The truth is probably somewhere between what the UFC says it was and what M-1 says it was. So basically, we don't know about the money...which is what I've been saying all along...
Now some fun with Dana quotes on Fedor...
Sept 26 2007: “I think that Fedor, right now, the word is he wants to fight in this Sambo event, but I won’t let him fight in it if he’s with us. I think he’s going to wait until he fights in this thing in October, November, and we’ll probably come to a deal with him at the end of this year or the beginning of next year. I’m very positive we’re going to end up with him. It would be crazy for him to fight anywhere else other than the UFC.” White and the UFC have big plans for Emelianenko if they can secure the deal. “What we’d want to do is, we’d want to know who is the best heavyweight in the world. So if we sign Fedor, Fedor comes right in and fights Randy Couture for the le,” Dana White comments on Fedor Emelianenko | Inside the Octagon
Oct 12th 2007: “Fedor has that mystique where people think he’s number one, which I don’t agree with. I think that Fedor is completely overrated – he’s fought Mark Coleman and Matt Lindland in the last year, with Mark Hunt being his only legitimate opponent - and I actually think that Randy Couture would have smashed Fedor.” New Dana White Interview On Couture, Entire Transcript - MMAFightLine.com
Oct 25th 2007 "Fedor sucks," said White. "He's not even a top 5 Heavyweight in the world." Dana White: "Fedor isn't even a top five heavyweight." - MMAFightLine.com
July 31st 2007: “We'll have him (Fedor) soon. We'll have him before the end of the year.” White not worried about the compe ion - MMA - ESPN
2/4/2008: “Randy Couture, right now is the best fighter in the world. Fedor is a farce. He [just fought] "Long Duck Dong"...we'll just call him that. It's a joke. This guy hasn't beat anybody since 2005 and you know who was the last guy he beat in 2005? Mirko Cro Cop who just lost to two guy's that nobody's...you know.” Dana White Dana calls Choi Hong-Man “long duck dong.” - MMAFightLine.com
Feb 5th, 2008: Fedor isn’t a real fighter, he’s a complete joke. He’s fighting middleweights and guys who have absolutely no business fighting — and he’s looking like s*** doing it. It's 2008 and he hasn’t had a real fight since 2005. I don’t care about what he did in PRIDE years ago — he can’t live with anyone in the top five in the UFC and that’s why he’s not here.
He’s not in the UFC because if he was he couldn’t avoid real compe ion like he’s been doing for years now. Dana answers your questions | The Sun |Sport|UFC
Feb. 9th 2008: In response to an interviewer commenting on Randy Couture wanting to fight Fedor: “A Russian who sucks. Okay this guy hasn’t fought anybody in two years.” YouTube - Dana White calls Randy Couture Gay & Prank Call
Oct. 15th, 2008: “I’m not out there chasing Fedor. If Fedor wants to prove that he is the best in the world…you know…he’ll end up in the UFC someday. YouTube - UFC Dana White Though on FEDOR Emelianenko, o,KimBo,Shamrock,Couture
Oct 24th, 2008: "If you look at Fedor, Fedor's got power, and he can knock you out, but I wouldn't say he has great stand-up," Dana White: Fedor Emelianenko Doesn't Have Great Stand-Up, Anderson Silva Is the Best - MMA FanHouse
July 20th, 2008: When asked about Fedor’s win over Sylvia: “It does (change my opinion),” he conceded. “Tim Sylvia was a real opponent.” White stands by his man Silva - MMA - Yahoo! Sports
August 6th 2008: While doing a word association with different fighters names, Dana responded to Fedor’s name by saying “Overrated.” YouTube - Dana White on Mark Cuban, o, Couture, GSP, Fedor and Canada
August 15th, 2008: He’s not the best pound-for-pound fighter, not even close, but he’s one of the four or five best heavyweights. But we all have to thank him for getting rid of Tim Sylvia. He’d been stinking out the joint the last couple of years and Fedor did everyone a favor by beating him so easily and getting rid of him.” Dana White: ‘Fedor did everyone a favor by beating’ Tim Sylvia at UFC blog for UFC news, results, videos, rumors, fights, pics and tickets — MMAmania.com
Sept. 2nd 2008: Fedor is completely (expletive) irrelevant,” White said. “Completely.” Couture returns to UFC, faces Lesnar - MMA - Yahoo! Sports
Nov. 19th 2008: “I’ve been trying to get Fedor forever now. You know one of the crazy things when I tell people for the 9 years I’ve been promoting this business…that I’ve been trying to get Fedor, I’ve never even met Fedor…People talk about how great he is and everything else, you know, he hasn’t fought anbody since 2005…Fedor is a bunch of hype.” YouTube - Dana White talks GSP/Penn Fedor
Dec: 28th 2008: "God, I hope so," White said. "That's not up to me. I can only try so much. There's only so much I can do." Fight Instinct - MMA News: Dana White: Fedor vs. Lesnar "God, I hope so¦"
Dec 30th 2008: “(Laughs) That’s so crazy! How can you call him the number one heavyweight in the world? The guy doesn’t fight anybody!”
“After seeing what!? Tim Sylvia!? Everybody knocked Tim Sylvia down in the first round… Randy Couture knocked Tim Sylvia down in the first round too and took his back. Randy just couldn’t choke him out or he would have choked him out the same exact way Fedor did!”
“Could you imagine if I had stable full of guys that fought once every two and half to three years and said they were the best fighter in the world!? Give me a break. Listen, I’ve got no problem with Fedor. I’ve tried to bring him in many times (and) I’m still trying. If Fedor wants to get on the phone tonight I’ll try and cut a deal with him. But don’t call yourself the best heavyweight in the world unless you’re willing to come in and fight three times a year against the best. Annihilate all the best in here and I’ll call you the best.
“I want to make the fight. I don’t want to sit around and say, ‘No (Fedor) sucks, he’s not the best’ and not let him fight. I’ll bring him and let him fight everybody. I’ll even pay him — good money. More money than these other knuckleheads can pay him. You’re not the best to me unless you come in and prove it. Just because you knocked Tim Sylvia down and choked him out, you’re not the best. I mean everybody has done that. Andrei Arlovski did it; he heel hooked him in the first round. Randy Couture knocked him down and almost choked him out in the first round (too).” Dana White: Fedor Still Isn’t The Best Heavyweight, Nog Had Staph
Jan 3rd, 2009: Asked whether Fedor will ever fight in the UFC, White said, "Who knows? Every time you think you've got some traction with these guys and you're going to do something, they spin off and do something dumber than before. These guys keep making stupid moves. The problem is Fedor doesn't control his destiny, his manager does. These guys are from Russia. It's a whole nother world in Russia, man. Listen, in all the dealings we've had with Fedor, I've never even met Fedor. He doesn't control his destiny, his manager does." Dana White: Fedor Emelianenko Doesn't Control His Destiny, His Manager Does - MMA FanHouse
1/8/2009: I'd like to see Andrei win. He's my guy, so I obviously want to see him beat Fedor. MMA Submission: One On One with Dana White - ESPN The Magazine
1/8/2009: My only beef with Fedor is that he's not fighting consistently right now, against top compe ion. I can't call someone the best in the world unless he's fighting against the best, and he's fighting three times a year, minimum. I can't call somebody like Fedor the best in the world, because he hasn't been doing that. MMA Submission: One On One with Dana White - ESPN The Magazine
1/8/2009: I'd sign Fedor in a heartbeat, if we could work out his contract situation with Affliction after they go under. I've been trying to sign Fedor for a long, long time. The problem has always been his management. I've still never even met Fedor himself. MMA Submission: One On One with Dana White - ESPN The Magazine
1/8/2009: Yes, he's had a great career. He just hasn't done it lately. If he wants to fight the best in the world and prove how great he is, I am certainly willing to listen and maybe sign him. MMA Submission: One On One with Dana White - ESPN The Magazine
1/29/2009: “If Fedor doesn’t care than neither do I. If he wants to come over and fight the best in the world then that’s cool with me. At the end of the day, if Fedor wants to fight here I’m here, if he doesn’t I don’t care.” UFC FIGHT: UFC President Dana White Talks Affliction And Fedor Emelianenko
Feb 3rd 2009: “Yes, he’s top five [pound-for-pound]. I say he’s top five. He can punch. I’ll say that.” THEMMAFiend - Mixed Martial Arts & UFC News, Exclusive Interviews, Commentary, And More Blog Archive Dana White Admits Fedor Emelianenko Is Top 5
Feb 4th, 2009: People think I talk all this s**t about Fedor. I'd love to have Fedor in the UFC. If he cares to come in and fight the best in the world, then I care. If he doesn't care then why should I care? That's my philosophy on that. At the end of the day, the best guys in the world are the guys like GSP, BJ Penn, Anderson Silva, Lyoto Machida, these guys fight the best in the world three times a year and prove that they're the best. Rashad Evans -- look who Rashad has fought this year. Look who Forrest Griffin has fought this year. These guys continually fight the best in the world three times a year. They deserve your respect and praise. Dana White on UFC 94, GSP's Vaseline and Saturday's Fight Night on e - MMA FanHouse
Feb 7th on Bubba the Love Sponge
“You can just tell when you see this guy — I will tell you, he’s a bad mother[expletive]. You can just tell by looking at him,” White said in an interview on “The Bubba the Love Sponge Show” on Sirius Satellite Radio. “He’s been considered one of the best in the world for a long time,” White later added. “I’d put him in there against whoever’s the top guy at that time. I’d put him in against whoever the top guy is… There’s a lot of possibilities for Fedor.”
Feb 9th 2009: “I want Fedor too, contrary to popular belief. I have no idea what they want. Everything makes no sense to me. I think they thought, 'You know, we'll partner up with these guys and we'll own a piece of this thing.' It's all mixed signals. You never know what these guys want. When I first met with these guys, (Fedor's) manager is like, 'Here's what we want to do. My brother is the biggest rock concert promoter over there. So here's what we want. We want you to build an arena in Russia,'" recounted White. "And I'm like, '(Expletive) timeout.' I want to sign a guy. I'm not looking to build arenas or get into business with you or anything like that. We'll pay him what he wants to be paid. We'll promote and do this and that. But it's not about Fedor when you talk to these guys. I've never met Fedor! I've never said one (expletive) word to the guy. I've never even seen him face to face.
I don't know what they want... Fedor's one of these guys that, listen, everybody thinks that I won't give Fedor his props and everything. B.J. Penn and Georges St. Pierre and Anderson Silva and every other guy in this company fight the best of the best three times a year. Fedor's not doing that. If he wants to fight guys three times a year, prove he's the best, if he wants to do that, I'm willing to do it with him," says White.
I don't think he cares about a legacy or any of that kind of stuff," he continued. "I don't know. I'd like to see him fight in the UFC." - FEDOR AND THE UFC: WILL IT EVER HAPPEN? - MMA WEEKLY - Mixed Martial Arts & UFC News, Photos, Rankings & more
April 21, 2009 - "Fedor is not the pound-for-pound best fighter in the world," White said. "Fedor is at a buffet somewhere in Russia."
July 12, 2009 - "This whole Fedor thing has been going on and on and on," White said. "I keep saying this and that about him and he keeps waiting. Eventually, Fedor's going to be here. I want Fedor. I want him to come to the UFC and everything else." "This guy just became the heavyweight champion," White said, gesturing to Lesnar. "We'll end up getting that deal done. And then we'll do Brock vs. Fedor, and it'll be a huge fight."
Aug 4, 2009 - “I’m in Abu Dhabi right now and my reaction is Fedor is a [expletive] joke. [He] turns down a huge deal and the opportunity to face the best in the world to fight nobodies, for no money. Fedor is a [expletive]. “I feel sorry for the real fans! I wanted to make the deal but it takes two and it is VERY obvious Fedor doesn’t want to fight the best and doesn’t give a [expletive] about the fans.”
Leo we all know how dana is, thee is nothing new. It does not change the situation. It's all about action not talking. Fedor just said no to the best contract available.
Based on what Dana said the contract was, right? You follow me?
No
The media was talking about contract
and where did the media get the contract info?No
The media was talking about contract
Just because Dana says he wants to get Fedor all the time and gets frustreted sometimes calling him no good doesn't mean he lied about contract.
btw. we did not get the details
I do not know what's your point in all this?
That Fedor did a good thing?
He didn't
Did he? In your opinion?
My point is all the talk about the contracts is based on what Dana put out to the media...I just have a hard time believing:
1. $30M, in any form or fashion
2. Dana, in general
My point is that all the discussion about money is pointless because we just don't know what was on the table. Dana says one thing...Fedor says another. IMO, Dana is more likely to spew BS in order to support his cause, but I don't trust Vadim either so maybe Fedor is spewing whatever he's being instructed to say. Result...we don't know about the money.
So complain about Fedor not being in the UFC if you'd like (I'd rather him be there too!), but just saying "he took less money to fight lesser compe ion" (like so many are) isn't really fair since we just don't know if that's true or not.
My other point is that it's not surprising that they're not chomping at the bit to work with Dana based on the things he's said in the past about them...
UFC is much more pwerfull then Strikeforce, so we can assume that the contract was better from the get go. 30 probably could happen in the most optimistic speculations about ppv buys.
And you sound like I'm attacking you. I'm not doing that. Dana is doing this when things not going his way and that is singing Fedor so that's why he gets pissed at him. That's his character... F that btw.
I'm not atacking you
Dana has talking head in the media -- they released the contract details.
Dana hasn't lied about what others have made, recall how the same people released the details of Randy's contract after Randy said he only making XX.
Dana talking about Fedor has nothing to do with his contract.
M-1 has proven time and again they are liars, and about contracts to even their OWN FIGHTERS! So, in no way would it surprise me that Fedor believes the UFC contract was lower because he was ing lied to.
They are chomping at the bit, but they want co-promotion.. not happening. Anyone with sense or sensibility knows how much annually UFC pulls in. Ask the Fer as, they are pulling in more than their casinos. You think they want to co-promote with some company that isn't known for one single fighter?
They can afford to pay him those numbers -- they'll promote the out of him and build up Lesnar / Fedor. The 30 million isn't guaranteed money, that's been stated. 30 million would be if he were to break most PPV buys so far, so he'd be making less than 30 most likely. I believe it was stated he would make 18 million minimum if all his fights were busts. There's no way Lesnar / Fedor wouldn't sell less than 1 million buys.
Where was the $18M guaranteed reported??
We all know the UFC won't co-promote...I don’t think that’s been a discussion point really.
Wouldn’t shock me if Fedor has been lied to, after seeing the Mousasi BS.
Dana talking probably has a lot to do with Fedor not being gung-ho to jump in bed with him long-term.
When asked about the offer to Fedor, Dana just says it was a lot…mini-dodge on his part.
Just put what's after the = sign and before the & symbol and it'll show up...
I knowJust put what's after the = sign and before the & symbol and it'll show up...
Just forgot that it works like this on this site and I was in a hurry to put it in here.
that one is worthy as well i think
Must be shopping for fight gear for his fight with the winner of Gina/Cyborg
Fedor has some of the most random pics....lol
This is good for Fedor...
http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2009/9/17...emelianenko-vs
Makes his signing with SF make a little more sense...like I said, who knows how the money shakes out when you throw ratings on CBS in the mix.
I hope he gets KO'd
Weak...
IMO, real MMA fans should hope he does well and gets more popular in the US...with the long-term goal being to sign with the UFC in a year and come in with the casual fan already knowing who he is...
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