Ufc 101

[Blackjack]

Thanks Blackjack, forgot to credit my post.

No prob.

[Blackjack]

I think he left the Octagon more because he was devastated about the loss but that sucks to hear he got hurt.. I don't know what's next for him, it's a huge dent in his career..

That'd be a pretty extreme departure in character for Forrest.

Forrest has always been gracious in both victory and defeat, and even if the fight was devastating, I seriously doubt someone with his past history would run from the octagon in the fashion he did.

He's a stand-up guy who's also smart enough to know how he would be viewed if he didn't own it.

So if/when Anderson moves up, who do you see him fighting? Rashad/Page is booked for December so they wouldnt be able to fight again till spring of 2010 probably. Machida/Shogun are fighting soon, I forget when, but its coming up. o is fighting Coleman, Belfort and Franklin are fighting, Henderson moved down. He could fight Chuck, that would still be a major draw, even after Chucks struggles, but nobody wants to see him get KTFO again. Anderson just destroyed a high-profile name in Forrest, so IMO there is no reason for him to fight a lesser name in Brandon Vera or someone of that caliber. I say best case scenario he fights one more fight at 185 against Dan Henderson, Demian Maia (my prefrence), or Nate Marquardt, then move up for good in the Spring time and fights the winner of Rampage-Rashad. Or maybe he stays up and fights Wanderlei....Id like that. Anyway, what are you guys openions?

Not at your post, just at the realization of Silva really being tested by the likes of some really good, to great fighters you mentioned.

Silva's ridiculous...

I thought maybe Rampage for a second there, but could you imagine what Spider would do after analyzing the Jackson-Griffin fight? Would Rampage ever be able to walk again?

Machida intrigues me and is probably the best bet to hang that first UFC loss on Silva, but if it were to happen? I think it'd end up being a pretty big letdown for a lot of the viewing public; regardless who won.

Two tacticians who thrive on opposing fighters aggression could turn into one of those perceived lackluster boring fights.

As someone who just wants to see the best in the world be forced to push their own limits, I'd enjoy the fight even if it wasn't the most aesthetically pleasing. I'm just not sure the average PPV customer or ticket-buyer shares the same sentiment.

, they brought in some WWE with Lesnar, is it time the UFC started sanctioning handicap matches?

[dbreiden83080]

That'd be a pretty extreme departure in character for Forrest.

Forrest has always been gracious in both victory and defeat, and even if the fight was devastating, I seriously doubt someone with his past history would run from the octagon in the fashion he did.

He's a stand-up guy who's also smart enough to know how he would be viewed if he didn't own it.

Forrest is an extremely emotional guy who has been known to break down and cry when he loses. He did so in the ring after he lost to Jardine. I have no doubt he broke down in the locker room. Florian did not want to talk about the loss to Penn, he left without doing an interview. The thing is, Forrest didn't just lose, he was embarassed. 10 week camp down the toilet, visciously KO'd. Would you wanna stick around and discuss the details of that? I know i wouldn't..

[dbreiden83080]

Forrest Griffin’s Jaw Not Injured In UFC 101 KO Loss to Anderson Silva


Posted by Kris Karkoski on Aug 9, 2009 at 2:26 pm

Rumors circulated on Sunday that Forrest Griffin’s run from the Octagon following his first-round knockout loss to Anderson Silva on Saturday at UFC 101 was due to a broken or dislocated jaw. However, according to Joe Ferraro of Sportsnet’s “MMA Connected”, Griffin’s jaw is “fine”:

Source has confirmed that the reports that Forrest has a broken jaw and was the reason he ran out of the octagon are false. His jaw is fine.

At the post-fight press conference, UFC President Dana White said he hadn’t seen Griffin following the knockout and had no idea where he’d gone or why he left, though White added that he believed Griffin simply bolted from the Octagon as a result of his being an emotional fighter.

What injuries Griffin suffered in the defeat, if any, are not yet known as the card’s medical suspensions have yet to be released, but should be available in the coming days.

http://mmafrenzy.com/11209/forrest-g...nderson-silva/

[Evan]

well that answers that.

[kromediablo]

Congrats BJ penn for winnign the fight.

Notice when had florian on his back and started heel kicks to the kidney...for a fraction of a second florian put his hand down to protect his kidneys....BJ baited his assss with them heel kicks...and pitted the choke hold lighting fast like a snake on its prey!!!

[kromediablo]

Congrats BJ penn for winning the fight!

BJ baited his assss with them heel kicks and pitted the rear naked choke hold lighting fast !!! its all part of da plan bruddah!!

[Blackjack]

Well, damn...

Probably would've been better had he broken/dislocated his jaw.

Forrest has earned the benefit of a doubt from me with the way he's conducted his self in the past, but even if him being extremely emotional is understandable, it's definitely not a good look. I really wish he could've at least made a statement after he gained his composure, if he indeed suffered from no serious injury, but I guess it is what it is.

I really hope this fight doesn't do to him what he claimed it couldn't, break him, and he's able to rebound from this in a Penn-esque fashion.

I've never viewed Forrest, skill/talent-wise, as an upper-echelon fighter but he's a crowd pleaser and a fan-favorite that does nothing but good for the UFC.

Dana got the perfect fighter to oppose Silva and ignite the Spider hysteria again, which he should be greatful Forrest had the balls to do, but instead he he clowns the guy with his " He might be in Georgia.." remark after being asked about him..

Damn, this fight sucked.

I can't celebrate Silva's victory because I'm questioning whether Forrest will ever truly recover.

[dbreiden83080]

I can't celebrate Silva's victory because I'm questioning whether Forrest will ever truly recover.

I'm with ya man, i was completely flat for the main event after Forrest got beatdown that bad. I was so jazzed for the fight and 30 seconds in, you knew it was going to be a mess for Forrest. Not only was he not hitting Silva, but Silva had his hands down and was talking him in the process. The guy has beat some great fighters, but i do wonder "What now" for him. Coming back from this loss is going to be incredibly hard.

[dbreiden83080]

Congrats BJ penn for winning the fight!

BJ baited his assss with them heel kicks and pitted the rear naked choke hold lighting fast !!! its all part of da plan bruddah!!

He did bait him, that said i find it amazing that he got the finish with that choke. That is BJ's favorite submission. RNC plenty of guys. Everyone in the building knew he was going to try and sink that in when he took the back and Kenny has great JJ. Still didn't matter..

[Blackjack]

I'm trying to be careful and not over react the way some did with Penn after the GSP destruction, but this seems a bit of a reality check.

Forrest achieving what he has, has actually been pretty remarkable. I've always liked and respected him as a person and fighter, but there's no way in I would have ever believed he would go on to beat Rua and capture the le by defeating Jackson after leaving the TUF house.

If he can recover from this loss emotionally and get his confidence back where it needs to be, there's no reason he can't go on to continue a pretty damn good career. (Or at least another Bonnar fight, as some have mentioned.)

[tlongII]

Silva was incredilble last night. I don't think I've ever seen someone KO somebody like that while backpedaling. GSP would get crushed by Silva. Machida is the only fighter that can compete with him. I hope it happens.

[desflood]

GRIFFIN UNINJURED, NOT DEALING WELL WITH LOSS
Sunday, August 09, 2009 - by Damon Martin - MMAWeekly.com

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Following a devastating knockout loss to UFC middleweight champion Anderson Silva at UFC 101 on Saturday night, former 205-pound champion Forrest Griffin wasted no time getting up from the mat and quickly exiting the Octagon.

At the post fight press conference, UFC President Dana White said he hadn't seen or heard from Griffin after the fight and he could be "back in Georgia" at that point.

“He’s an emotional guy,” commented White. “He came into this fight confident that he was going to beat Anderson Silva.”

Reports surfaced on Sunday that Griffin had suffered a jaw injury and that was the reason for his hasty exit, but MMAWeekly.com was able to confirm with representatives from Zinkin Entertainment, Griffin's management group, that he is physically fine following the Saturday night fight.

Griffin suffered no broken jaw and he is physically okay, said the Zinkin representative, but emotionally he is definitely not dealing well with the loss.

Griffin, who is ranked as a top five light heavyweight, faced Silva Saturday night in the co-main event, and struggled with the Brazilian's speed and unbelievable accuracy during the bout.

After two knockdowns early in the round, Griffin was caught with a quick straight right hand that put him down on the canvas for the final time as he waived to the referee to stop the fight.



Definitely not the best night for the Xtreme Couture guys. Poor Amir really got screwed.

[Blackjack]

Silva was incredilble last night. I don't think I've ever seen someone KO somebody like that while backpedaling. GSP would get crushed by Silva. Machida is the only fighter that can compete with him. I hope it happens.

Liddell is really the only guy that comes to mind when seeing a devastating blow while backpedaling, so that was one of the first things that came to mind. (Followed closely by wondering if Silva picked up any tips from Margarito on how to properly wrap the hands..)

After two knockdowns early in the round, Griffin was caught with a quick straight right hand that put him down on the canvas for the final time as he waived to the referee to stop the fight.

After seeing the replay of the ending, I'm not sure Griffin wasn't just flailing trying to defend himself and trying to decipher if the ref was actually Silva.

Damn, Silva absolutely toyed with him. I definitely understand the humiliation now.

Who in the puts their hands down, allows the opponent to swing away and then calmly says, "Good night." successfully?

Or, how about putting the opponent on their ass, and clearly not wanting to give the guy any hope on the ground, stopping in the middle of the fight to extend both hands in an effort as if to say, "Sorry, bro. Why don't you go ahead and let me help you up. I'm just that classy of a guy." (One of the most unsportsmanlike sportsman gestures in the history of ever) and then proceeds to pick a part a former champion at 205 exerting minimal effort while having essentially target practice.

The man isn't human

[angelbelow]

wow.. im seen the fight about 20 times now... silva is ing amazing... As much as I liked Silva to begin with, I had a soft spot for forrest too. im a big fan of hard workers with tremendous heart so it was definitely bittersweet for me.

[polandprzem]

http://www.mma-core.com/videos/_UFC_...005959&tid=104

[Soul_Patch]

lol philly....

[IX_Equilibrium]

GSP would get crushed by Silva.

I disagree. GSP would not not fight Silva in the dumb manner that Grifin, Leben, or Franklin did.

He would take Silva down, control him on the ground, g&p, avoid sub attempts, and get a decision.

[LEONARD]

Overall, a weak event.

The first 4 fights of the night sucked...Dan should be fired as a ref...seriously.

Silva's schooling of Forrest was shocking...he was fighting mad it seemed and didn't even give Forrest a chance to get going (slow starter).

BJ is unbeatable at LW as long as he cares. He looked strong, quick, and pissed off. Can't wait for him to beat up Diego...

I hate this tired debate but....

Anderson is the best p4p fighter over Fedor simply because he dominates over two weight classes. I have no doubt Fedor could dominate in LHW...but he simply needs to prove it.

Prior to this fight Silva fought Irvin, Cote, and Leites...not exactly a murder's row. I understand that there wasn't much else for him, but it’s funny to me that he’s put on a pedestal by everybody while Fedor fights 2 top 5 HW’s (when he fought them) and lines up Barnett for the next fight and people still say he’s fighting chumps.

I think Silva could be a force at HW eventually too. He could probably come in at 225 lbs now if given enough time. He has the frame to carry it and still be quick.

Philly for ya...

hahahaha...

As much as i love Forrest, his chin is not that great. Cote took better shots than he did last night..

His chin has always been crap IMO. He can take punishment and bleeds a lot, but if he take a shot on the chin he's going down...

Congrats BJ penn for winning the fight!

BJ baited his assss with them heel kicks and pitted the rear naked choke hold lighting fast !!! its all part of da plan bruddah!!

Genius stuff on BJ's part...

I disagree. GSP would not not fight Silva in the dumb manner that Grifin, Leben, or Franklin did.

He would take Silva down, control him on the ground, g&p, avoid sub attempts, and get a decision.

[dbreiden83080]

I disagree. GSP would not not fight Silva in the dumb manner that Grifin, Leben, or Franklin did.

He would take Silva down, control him on the ground, g&p, avoid sub attempts, and get a decision.

The big issue is how much quality weight can GSP put on to fight the man at 185. He fights at about 185 right now, when he gets in the cage. He says he wants to be around 200 if that fight happens. Will GSP be able to be as fast and explosive at 200 pds as he is at 185 and can he avoid not getting KO'd in the exchanges. As much as i love GSP, Silva rightfully so would be a huge favorite in that fight..

[LEONARD]

Still trying to find Leites vs Sakara, but it sounds like Leites got screwed...

SD

Thales Leites vs. Alessio Sakara

Round 1
The entrance is messed up, and Leites comes out to Sakara’s music and name. Sakara, in turn, enters to Leites’ music, which Leites sings while Sakara makes his way to the Octagon. Leites slips throwing a haymaker but stands back up. He shoots from too far out for a takedown, and Sakara stuffs it. 1:30 in. Sakara is mostly waiting back. Leites gets a single leg, but as Leites is taking top control Sakara lands a short forearm that hurts him and keeps him off. Back on the feet, Sakara fires a one-two that’s blocked. Leites misses another shot from afar. The audience boos. 10-9 Sakara.

Round 2
Leites is more aggressive with his striking to start the second, and this helps him take down Sakara against the cage. The Brazilian jiu-jitsu black belt then tries to take Sakara’s back on the ground. He gets in one hook, but Sakara rolls out and the fight goes back to the feet. Sakara lands with a left hook. Leites drops under another strike for a takedown. He tries to take Sakara’s back again as he goes to stand, but Sakara quickly escapes again to his feet. 3:00 into the round. Sakara looks fresher. Leites is getting wild. Sakara throws a knee, and Leites finishes a double-leg takedown. He mounts Sakara with 45 seconds remaining. Sakara gets half-guard back, then Leites mounts again and punches from the top. 10-9 Leites.

Round 3
The boos resume after a lackluster opening minute to the third. Sakara throws a one-two that’s blocked. He sprawls on a double-leg and hustles out. Not much action. Leites shoots from afar again and isn’t close to the takedown. More boos. Sakara switches to a southpaw stance, which doesn’t lead to any offense. He misses a one-two-three combo. Referee Marc Goddard warns the fighters for inactivity. Leites moves forward and finally gets a takedown. He takes Sakara’s back with both hooks, but loses control quickly. Sakara gets up. More boos. Sherdog.com scores the round 10-9 Leites.

Official decision: 29-28 Sakara, 30-27 Leites, 29-28 Sakara. Split decision for Sakara.

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MMAWeekly

-Alessio Sakara vs. Thales Leites

R1 – Slow start as Sakara tries to feel out his reach and Leites looking for the shot. Leites eventually grabs a leg and throws Sakara to the ground, but he scrambles and gets back to the feet. Sakara seems content to counter, but when Leites engages he backs up. Leites again goes for Sakara's leg, but misses and Sakara throws a good 1-2 combo, but doesn't connect. Leites tries for a flying knee late in a lackluster round overall.
MMAWeekly scores R1 10-9 for Thales Leites

R2 – After a brief exchange on the feet, Leites eventually lands a nice takedown and starts to work to take Sakara's back, but the Italian battles out and gets back to the feet. Sakara is starting to get his range as he opens up with a few punches before being taken down again. Leites tries to move and take Sakara's back, but slips out and Sakara stands back up. Sakara gets overly aggressive again after going for a knee strike and is taken down with Leites moving to mount, but then back into half guard. Leites gets back to mount and lands elbows as the round ends.
MMAWeekly scores R2 10-9 for Thales Leites

R3 – Not much action in the third, Sakara doesn't seem to want to engage, as Leites tries for a takedown, but doesn't land it. Leites steps forward as Sakara moves from side to side to avoid him. The referee pulls both fighters in and demands action. Leites shoots in right after and gets a nice takedown, taking Sakara's back, but he slips out and back to the feet. Leites gives chase, but Sakara moves away and literally runs as the time expires.
MMAWeekly scores R3 10-9 for Thales Leites

Alessio Sakara def. Thales Lietes by split decision (29-28, 27-30, 29-28)

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another (for comedic value)

Thales Leites vs. Alessio Sakara
Round 1 - Tough first round to score…Leites can’t get Sakara down, and Sakara isn’t letting his hands go.
Round 2 - Leites starting to break Sakara down on the ground.
Round 3 - Kevin Iole says, “Maybe it wasn’t Anderson Silva’s fault AFTER ALL. This fight totally sucks.” Referee talks to Leites and Sakara and tells them to fight. Iole’s final comment on this fight via Twitter: “Both of these guys should be dropped by UFC, if you ask me. Neither tried to win. Awful (expletive) fight.” Alessio Sakara defeats Thales Leites by split decision (29-28, 29-28, 27-30).

[dbreiden83080]

“Both of these guys should be dropped by UFC, if you ask me. Neither tried to win. Awful (expletive) fight.”

Leites fights like a pussy, he has no heart and is scared to death to get hit..

[IX_Equilibrium]

The big issue is how much quality weight can GSP put on to fight the man at 185. He fights at about 185 right now, when he gets in the cage. He says he wants to be around 200 if that fight happens. Will GSP be able to be as fast and explosive at 200 pds as he is at 185 and can he avoid not getting KO'd in the exchanges. As much as i love GSP, Silva rightfully so would be a huge favorite in that fight..

GSP said he would need about a year to put on quality muscle to get to the desired weight. It would take him some time to get there, but I would pick him to win once he did.

[dbreiden83080]

“Lyoto is my friend, he is my brother and there is no way that fight will ever happen,” Silva said.

White, coveting a clash between two men who are both unbeaten in UFC compe ion, brushes that talk aside.

“I’ll make it happen,” White said winking his eye. “It’s not even about money. It’s about proving you’re the best, it’s about securing your place in history. It’s about putting on a super fight that fans want to see"

I do believe Silva when he says this. The guy is really about honor in martial arts and if he feels this way about Lyoto he won't let Dana twist his arm. He'll just say

"give me Rampage, Shogun, Rashad" etc..

[BlackSwordsMan]

yeah anderson silva would never fight lyoto