Manu
Dirk
So if they don't agree with you, they look stupid.
Considering your intent, this thread has Epic Fail written all over it.
^In defense to Spurfan, I'm sure there are just as many Laker homers that are way worse at Lakersground.net or some site like that.
i really thought lakers fans were the biggest homers but now i'm not sure.
true, i'm just surprised. i know there are tony and manu homers (including myself) here but this thread is
Last edited by sonic21; 08-09-2009 at 04:11 PM.
Not really...seeings how there are quite a few respected posters who seem to agree with me...and the only ones who disagree are either Argentinean or just plain ridiculous in their reasoning. The only failures here are the ones who refuse to choose their brain over their heart.So if they don't agree with you, they look stupid.
Considering your intent, this thread has Epic Fail written all over it.
If you were to interview the 30 NBA GM's (so no DAF86 the Euroleague GMs don't matter) about whether they want Manu or Dirk, I'd be surprised of less than 28 of the said Dirk.
There wouldn't be any question 30 of them would pick Dirk.
I see. So the validity of one's opinion is solely based on e-rep... gotcha.
lol...keep digging Manufan, your hole is only getting bigger.
Says who, you? Look at your thread and poll. A failure just like you.
Being a homer is wrong?
LOL indeed...
Hey...whatever makes your hair blow back man. Just don't expect anyone to take you seriously.
I see. Maybe I should make more completely subjective fail threads like this one to get some e-rep... LOL
When someone mentions Manu's "prime" the 2005 post season flashes through my mind...
Frankly, no one played better than Manu that post-season... not Dirk, not Kobe, not Wade, not LeBron, not Carmelo... Manu was an unstoppable force.
Someone mentioned Dirk's prime as being longer and more consistent... I wholeheartedly agree; and that's what this whole hypothetical exercise boils down to... perception of impact. Manu's impact from his "otherworldly" level in 2005 (and to an extent in 2008) was cut short by injuries. While Dirk has yet to step-down from his elite level.
If people were truly honest with themselves they would have to concede that the 2005 version of Manu could have produced 5-6 championship seasons paired with a healthy Duncan and Parker... unfortunately, Manu sustained career defining injuries... Having said that, I have no doubts that Duncan paired with Dirk could have accomplished the same result... ultimately, the common denominator in those hypothetical scenarios is a healthy Duncan.
This is where the argument becomes subjective. IMO no version of Dirk was better than 2005-playoff-Manu. That is why Mav-fan is upset... they know this statement is valid, but can't get themselves to accept it. This is also why Mav-fan arguments have been centered around premises that really can't be argued against...
"Dirk has been the go-to guy on his team and led his team to the Finals"
"Dirk was drafted immediately... not considered a project like Ginobili"
"Dirk is not injury prone"
"Dirk has un unstoppable release"
"Dirk was an NBA MVP"
"Dirk has produced at an elite clip his entire career"
"Dirk's national team, teammates are 'scrubs'; which is why he doesn't have any international accolades"
"Dirk is not soft, the league simply rigged the 2006 Finals in D-whistle's favor"
"Really, Dirk isn't soft, the league just wanted to teach Mark Cuban a lesson and paired us up against the only team that gave us fits... Nellie's Warriors"
"Statistically, Dirk is the better player"
While most of those statements are certifiably true... they eliminate the single most important facet of the hypothetical question:
One can't suggest we compare the two players at their primes and then toss in all the factors which play against that very premise; it isn't a logical constraint.
Both players are game changers for sure... but, Manu's versatility at his peak level was greater than Dirk's at the top of his... If the Spurs would have had that version of Manu the entire time from 2002 to 2009, David Stern would likely have sent asassins to San Antonio or stepped down as commish altogether...
Last edited by Phenomanul; 08-09-2009 at 11:59 PM.
No need...you are getting plenty of e-rep right now as completely biased fan that can't think beyond his own nationality. But hey, if that's what you want to be then more power to you. You and DAF86 can get married and live happily ever after.
"IMO" and then you try to pass it off as fact? gtfo. And I thought these argentina pieces of were homers. Does manu's taste good to you?
Ok then...
Which version of Dirk performed better than 2005 playoff Manu? Free-throw choking, 2006 Finals Dirk or 67-win, MVP-season, 1st round upset, 2007 Dirk???
All of them. Manu isn't nearly the player Dirk is.
You know who's winning the poll right?
whatever you say know it all
And where has that taken him??.. Like I said, this exercise is entirely subjective...
Manu is a winner at every level... that cannot be debated.
I'm already married to an american lady from San Antonio who is every bit as much of a Spurs and Manu fan as I am.No need...you are getting plenty of e-rep right now as completely biased fan that can't think beyond his own nationality. But hey, if that's what you want to be then more power to you. You and DAF86 can get married and live happily ever after.
Maybe you should stick to managing the Dirk fanboy club instead of repeatedly failing to try to make a point.
I mean, you really showed that DAF guy...
Manu has been on stacked teams at every level... that cannot be debated.
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